PPE Catless Downpipes: Smoking Exhaust

Would they?  If its only localized leaking at this point and its burning as soon as it hits the exhaust stream, would you really see a wet spot?

I thought you said you had a good relationship with your dealer.
 
I was set on getting catted dpipes until reading this...maybe cat less would be better in a sense of seeing turbo issues sooner? Hmmm
 
91hybrid said:
Would they?  If its only localized leaking at this point and its burning as soon as it hits the exhaust stream, would you really see a wet spot?

I thought you said you had a good relationship with your dealer.
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So far my dealership has not said anything about the mods I have left on the car when I have work done there. But I always remove the tune and 3 bar map sensor before I bring it in there. No need to push the limit of what they will support if I do not have to.
 
Livernois is only 45 min from me so I'm gonna get majority of stuff done through them...good luck on the fix, hope it's nothing the dealer won't fix.
 
How long was the one turbo smoking for? From what I have read, you took the down pipe off immediately once they start smoking.

Oil level maintained at the same position?

How many miles do you have?

What oil are you using?
 
Josephm said:
How long was the one turbo smoking for? From what I have read, you took the down pipe off immediately once they start smoking.

Oil level maintained at the same position?

How many miles do you have?

What oil are you using?
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Catless downpipes came off after the second day of them smoking. Tough to tell comparison wise on the oil but it was not passed the need to fill line. I have roughly 19,000 miles. Not sure what oil was used.
 
I think this serves as a good FYI that in the event you have an unknown mechanical problem if / when you add catless downpipes those issues could be revealed in the form of smoke out the tailpipes. I'd be more concerned about what really is causing the smoke that previoulsy went unoticed while the stock cats were in and burned up the oil.

can the turbo seals not just simply be replaced ?

good info for me I have contimplated getting catless downpipes. With this info it appears it would be good advise to somehow check my turbo seal health first. That should be the discussion. I doubt any brand catless DP caused this issue to begin especially if the issue goes away when the stockers are put back on. If the smoke continued when the stockers were put back on and it didn't smoke prior to the DP installation I guess I would wonder if the new lack of backpressure finidshed off a failing seal, or caused it to fail all together.
 
Even if you have your stock pipes back on with no visable smoke I would not be satisified that back pressure creates a better seal and there are no issues story, I would be getting my car fixed.

Stock down pipes with a free flowing cat back could reduce the back pressure enough to cause issues if that were the case but noone is blaming that reduction in back pressure causing it because it still has cats burning off the oil.

I do agree that "if" you feel you should be talking about this as a "possible" catless downpipe issue, do it reguardless of who bends the pipe...! PPE, Livernois ETC...

I could also see that seals need to condition to thier task and if the task changes it would take time to recondition and reseal as intended. Most people may see the smoke and do the same thing as you, call out the manufaturer, scour the internet to uphold your view point etc. maybe some of the others that see it reducing over time had given the seals enough time to adapt or fixed the cause of the issue.

Either way I hope you get this resolved to your satisfaction and peace of mind.
 
Turbos can be rebuilt, I have people who can do it but I don't have any cores so I can swap them for people.
 
Just to update this thread. My vehicle has been at the Ford dealership for the last couple weeks. They have covered everything from top to bottom on the engine and even have removed and inspected the passenger side turbo. I talked with the shop foreman and he says he can not see anything wrong with the seals on the turbo. He has experience with these turbos failing on the F-150's and he can not identify the same kind of failures with my turbo. He also mentioned he has not been able to get the vehicle to reproduce the smoking out of the passenger side exhaust. They can not find anything wrong with the vehicle as it sits and they are returning the vehicle back to me with fresh fluids and al of my warranty still intact.
So if anyone is looking for a good deal on a 2013 SHO, get in touch with me as I have had enough of this car. Too much time in the shop and not enough time on the road.
 
I read your other post and there is definitely something going on with catless downpipes besides pointing the finger at something being wrong with either of our cars.
 
As I said you're making an incorrect assumption based off of what you think is 1 + 1 = 2, the catted pipes just uncover the fact that your car had an issue prior to them being installed. It sucks but it's true and I can trust dealer mechanics as far as I can throw them... (even though I can throw them pretty dang far)
Sorry for you finding this out and blaming the pipes but it's just not the case.
 
My PPE Catless DP's have been on for a week and I have been thrashing it to see what shakes out. No smoke visable at idle, WOT, decel, cruising speed. Nothing unusual, had a bit of an odor the first couple days - figure it was the oil cooking of the pipes. Now all is clean, clear and good.
 
In general regardless if you install DP  or Exhaust you are going to get that smell for a couple of days,also recomended after install and some initial driving that you make sure to double check to see if all the bolts are tight to torque specs.
 
Keep in mind there is supposed to be a update PVC system to be available soon. Remember reading something about it in a new TSB.
 
crash712us said:
Keep in mind there is supposed to be a update PVC system to be available soon. Remember reading something about it in a new TSB.
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This is correct

I will post up the number in a bit.
 
vernonator said:
My PPE Catless DP's have been on for a week and I have been thrashing it to see what shakes out. No smoke visable at idle, WOT, decel, cruising speed. Nothing unusual, had a bit of an odor the first couple days - figure it was the oil cooking off of the new pipes. Now all is clean, clear and good.
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