So this arrived today

AnotherGreenFusion said:
So with a single commute into boston and back (about 80 miles) I am seeing an increase of 2mpg and the car seems to be pulling harder. No way it's working this fast, must be a decent DA today since the temps are dropping. Though it was pretty normal during the day, it didn't really start to drop until right as I got home tonight.


Does gas mileage tend to go up with cooler weather if you don't have winter blend in the tank?
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Well yes in regards to cooler weather especially on an Ecoboost engine. Though it does not take long for ACES IV to kick in gear. Both you and JGR saying the same thing...ahaha, I see the addiction coming cause I was feeling the exact same way. Once the fuel is treated, that's it. Plus since the Ecoboost motor improves by sensing less knock, it pushes itself harder seeing its safe. Just stick to the 1 oz per 6 gallons ratio (I round up to the nearest 1/4 oz if not exact).

Just keep driving and continue to use it and you'll see...then the QuantumBlue goodies will not want to wait and they will deliver just as much satisfaction as well.
 
I am a little bit shocked. I am going to have sthulin @ 2gf try a tank or two and put some in the Fiesta as well. I need more sample data. I bought this stuff because of the reviews but if this is just the additive it is pretty unbelievable. The fact that Brian has been doing this since when I was running the Monte Carlo is going to have me kicking myself for not discovering it sooner.
 
AnotherGreenFusion said:
I am a little bit shocked. I am going to have sthulin @ 2gf try a tank or two and put some in the Fiesta as well. I need more sample data. I bought this stuff because of the reviews but if this is just the additive it is pretty unbelievable. The fact that Brian has been doing this since when I was running the Monte Carlo is going to have me kicking myself for not discovering it sooner.
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Ah its just like back when I was first getting a taste of true performance optimization. The beauty of chemical science at work.

By all means, do go ahead and put it in other vehicles, it just gets that much sweeter especially when non-performance enthusiasts notice it. I gave my mother a surprise by filling up her Kia Forte's tank prior to doing her road trip (a good 250 miles one way), along with ACES IV. Mom called me later night, mentioning she got better than usual mileage she's ever seen and made it with more than a half of a tank remaining.

All of my future vehicles (that won't be electric) will be getting these fluids strictly from now on, as long I am the primary driver. Older vehicles especially love this stuff since pure gas is rough to find and spend on.

I know my exhausts are cleaner than the average stock tune vehicle. I plan to check the intake valves and spark plugs once I get to 10,000 miles and see how well a new engine fares from spending most of its life on the goods.
 
Ugh, I'm officially out and my shipment has yet to arrive.

With my corn addiction, I like to have ACES in my tank for its lubrication properties.

 
FoMoCoSHO said:
Ugh, I'm officially out and my shipment has yet to arrive.

With my corn addiction, I like to have ACES in my tank for its lubrication properties.
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same here :( the weather is cooling off and I want to revise my E20 tune and get my 12 second pass next month
 
So I started putting this stuff in and am through my 2nd tank on the Fusion though maybe I should call it my first properly mixed tank since I messed up by not having the emergency funnel for the first fill.


Have noticed about 1-2mpg improvement but had not seen my OAR get better from the -0.96 I have been seeing in the past. So I reset my KAM and then took a long drive. It normally takes about 200 miles to get back to -0.96 but I got there in less than 50!! It still has not gone lower but I have been reading up and I may be looking at a built in limit in the ECU on the OAR? The 15 computer is still new even to many tuners so I would not be shocked to see that. I will need to keep an eye on my timing advance since neither Livernois nor Unleashed seem inclined to turn on my knock PIDs.


I think I see an improvement in the Fusion's performance but I should be making close to 300hp now, a bump of 3-5 is harder to tell at those levels and higher. So I put some in my '12 Fiesta with a 1.6 NA engine. Hardly 1/2 a tank through and the performance difference is very noticeable, even my fiancee noted it by saying the car got to speeds she was not used to seeing with the amount of pedal she fed it. I drove it last night and the idle and acceleration seemed smoother and quicker to respond. We both log with Torque regularly so hopefully I should have some decent data. My only challenge is dropping DAs and winter blends coming soon. I should have enough in the bottle to get me to November so hopefully that is plenty to see some good data.


Also keeping track of my progress on my blog: http://www.fusionspec.net/blogs/entry/17-experimenting-with-snake-oil/
 
AGF, what are you logging with?

Torque always showed -1 and -1.2 but SCT shows -.96 and -1.15 so the scaling is a little different.
 
FoMoCoSHO said:
AGF, what are you logging with?

Torque always showed -1 and -1.2 but SCT shows -.96 and -1.15 so the scaling is a little different.
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Torque always shows -1.00 unless I reset. Livewire TS with LiveLink shows -0.96. So I should expect it to possibly go up to -1.15 at some point?


Hitting the track tonight provided the drizzle backs off so I will have more logs on LiveLink then.
 
AnotherGreenFusion said:
FoMoCoSHO said:
AGF, what are you logging with?

Torque always showed -1 and -1.2 but SCT shows -.96 and -1.15 so the scaling is a little different.
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Torque always shows -1.00 unless I reset. Livewire TS with LiveLink shows -0.96. So I should expect it to possibly go up to -1.15 at some point?


Hitting the track tonight provided the drizzle backs off so I will have more logs on LiveLink then.
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No, my OAR is scaled differently.

My point was that -.96 is the same as -1 in Torque, or in my case -1.15 is the same as -1.2
 
FoMoCoSHO said:
My point was that -.96 is the same as -1 in Torque, or in my case -1.15 is the same as -1.2
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Yeah, it seems torque wants to round it up even if you tell it not to and configure 2 decimal precision for the gauge. I suspect it's a bug.
 
So a heads up to the membership here, there was a post on 2gf asking for where people felt they were at with Aces and I stated I had seen improvement on the Fiesta but not the Fusion but was still testing. Started to get a bunch of back-pedaling by zalvern here and when challenged and asked if he was sponsored he pulled up stakes, deleted his posts on 2gf and made his account private.


I want to note that I did not say the stuff did not work (my posts are still there) but that the jury was still out and I was planning to put the $500 worth of fluid in my car over the next few days. Rather than a response zal up and ran from 2gf and deleted his posts. Honestly this is shaking my faith in a trusted senior member of the EB communities and I am now not sure I even want to put this stuff in my car after this episode. This kind of thing smacks of a scam. I REALLY don't want it to be a scam I want this stuff to be good but the behavior I have seen has really got me worried about putting this stuff in my car. I will be talking to Brian next week though I would not be surprised if he does not talk to me.


http://www.2gfusions.net/showthread.php?tid=5013


starts here:
http://www.2gfusions.net/showthread.php?tid=5013&pid=94490#pid94490


I think its only fair that people know what is going on and ideally to give zal a chance to explain himself as I do trust him, however this has me worried and rightly so IMO.
 
My BND fluids are in and I'm completely confident in my decision. I stopped listening to the forum folks and did my own research.
 
FoMoCoSHO said:
My BND fluids are in and I'm completely confident in my decision. I stopped listening to the forum folks and did my own research.
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So have I, but zal did turn me on to this stuff and I find it concerning with what has happened and would like to understand. I plan to talk to brian next week. I think my plan right now is going to be to use the AMSOil i have in stock and send out samples of all the BND stuff for lab analysis.


Please if you can post whatever research you have found as pretty much everything is forum people and the BND site with some magazine coverage.


Really curious to see how yours turns out. I do want something better and I like the idea of BND but this is shaking my faith. I think for myself as well as those interested its good to have all the cards on the table.
 
Appreciate the heads up.

I think that the key for everyone to remember is that NO fluid is a magic pill.  I've been modifying and racing cars for 25+ years and have seen every claim there is.  All have to be taken with a grain of salt these days because even the worst fluids are pretty darn highly engineered now.  In automotive fluids there are good, better, and best.  Most of today's vehicles are shipped from the factory with fluids that are in the better category.  That only leaves room to step up one notch and that one notch is a very minor step in most cases.

For example, is Amsoil Signature better than Motorcraft full synthetic?  Yes it is, but the difference between those two is NOTHING compared to the difference between any full synthetic and what we bought out of metal cans in the '70's and early '80's.  Looking to improve on any highly engineered modern synthetic fluid would be very difficult and the improvement would be minuscule.

 
Honestly I read the posts over there and I can't make heads or tails about WTH is going on.

What I do know is I'd appreciate other forum drama not making its way here.

I'm not going to post any of my findings. Why? The same reason I don't post settings in my tune. It's proprietary info and I'm personally not comfortable sharing it. The info isn't impossible to find and regardless of what it is, I'm not a chemist that can state with 100% certainty the effect it has on the fuel...although I do think I have a basic grasp as to what is going on. 

I have no idea why Zalvern flounced and the whole "sponsorship" thing seems odd. I can tell you as far as my dealings with Brian no offer of any kind has been made and if it had, there would be 100% transparency about it.

Personally I wouldn't suggest anyone buying $500 in fluids sight unseen. Maybe buy one, test, and make your decisions from there. Just because I went all in doesn't mean everybody or anybody else should.

As for the 100 octane tune? I'd tread cautiously. Like I've said before octane and "octane effect" are two completely different things. With a given fuel, octane will be be the same between 2 different cars. "Octane effect" however will vary greatly depending on environment, engine design (A prime example is how corn behaves when it is direct injected vs port), base fuel used, etc. Would I delete E85 and try to run ACES only and VPower? Hell no, not on 17 psi and 24 degrees of spark. Corn is a known variable that has proven itself out extremely well. Quite honestly when dealing with an unknown variable, IMHO, a datalogged tune is necessity instead of jumping blind into the deep end with 100 octane out of the chute. We've been able to turn up the power slowly and safely and were able to prove non top tier has far less resistance to knock, even with corn added.

I primarily use ACES for the lubrication it leaves after combustion, especially with my corn addiction. If I get some more octane effect on top of my already potent fuel blend that's just icing on the cake.

As far as the other fluids. so far I have no idea. Life happened and I wasn't able to really test QB oil and I threw already purchased amsoil back in. Next change I'm gonna order more QB oil and start over. Just changed out OE PTU fluid that looked absolutely perfect. Same with the diff. QB coolant and 160 STAT in as well. Will I send everything out for when I change again? Maybe, maybe not. Honestly I've made my decision based upon my research and I'm going to use what i want and enjoy my car while the rest of the internet battles it out.

All I can tell you is that I will be 100% truthful about my experiences with BND products, good, bad, or indifferent. For anybody on the fence that doesn't have discretionary cash to burn on exotic fluids, maybe this isn't the way to go and I still believe Amsoil offers a high quality product and is an excellent alternative to the low end oe and high end exotics.


 
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