Stock turbo efficiency..?

StinkinLinkin13

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Ok. Hate to be this guy. I'm sure its been discussed before. But how much boost can the stock turbos deliver efficiently... I know ATP is the upgrade option but my turbos are new and I have no plans on upgrading anytime soon. So where these stockers gonna max out?
 
IIRC, 16-18 psi is the "hot zone" for these tiny turbos.  They have been driven to 23-24 psi during spikes, but ...
 
Don't forget, GearHead is the other upgrade option.  You can see how efficient they are by datalogging your wastegates duty cycle %.  If you're @ 19 psi and WGDC is 100% they're maxed. 
 
Just recently got back into this issue. So if I'm doing a 3rd gear pull... How much psi should I be able to hold max with healthy stock turbos. 16 - 18 psi?
 
StinkinLinkin13 said:
Just recently got back into this issue. So if I'm doing a 3rd gear pull... How much psi should I be able to hold max with healthy stock turbos. 16 - 18 psi?

My experience commanding 18 psi was like this... It'll boost spike to the commanded then taper through the gear sometimes touching into high 14s. These little baby turbos just can't keep up that well in the high boost. Anything after 15psi from my experience is going to taper to some degree
 
Ok... It just seems like Brad expects to see more than that hold... So I figured they could hold higher. Idk. I'm chasing a possible boost leak. I have one new turbo... One at 55k... I checked them both today and they seemed very similar as far as in and out plus up and down play and rotational drag. If its not one thing its another... 🤦‍♂️

Edit: Anyone familiar with boost datalogs chime in. Frustration level is high...

"Purple is the wastegate duty cycle and green is boost. You see boost dropping and wastegate duty taking off trying maintain boost...If the wastegate duty skyrockets but boost holds at least you are making commanded boost but yours is a double whammy. Your duty cycle is taking off so the turbos are speeding up and STILL losing boost. You are barely at 15 psi at 5500rpm and up, that is way less than target."
 
Mine peak at 17.5 psi and then taper down to 13.5 to 14 psi. I have no boost leaks. Brad thinks I have worn out turbos, because of the boost taper and high waste gate duty cycle. They have 76k miles on them.
 
SM105K said:
Mine peak at 17.5 psi and then taper down to 13.5 to 14 psi. I have no boost leaks. Brad thinks I have worn out turbos, because of the boost taper and high waste gate duty cycle. They have 76k miles on them.

Added edit... I'm doing better than that boost wise but it seems it should be holding even higher...
 
I am in the same boat, been chasing leak/boost issue for last few weeks.
I have GH Intercooler
PPE Catted Downpipes
XDI Fuel pump
GH Tuned E40 and 93 tunes, many revisions back and forth with Matt.
My boost Command is 18PSI and it holds there for half of the RPM and than it starts to drop and I sendup at 12-13PSI by my 6K RPM with WG at 100% closed
5500RPM is where my PSI and WG cross, WG goes up PSI comes down.

I troubleshooted for ever, did multiple system pressure tests, you can find them in my videos:  https://youtu.be/awUptqYTFVw
Did not find pressure leak, I replaced all clamps on my pipes low and high side, I retighten all bolts, checked blowoff valves few times, replaced boost controller,  removed all pipes and inspected, I completely removed intake filter and ran without it, nope, did not fix it.
I checked WG, pressure tested it and it holds closed for long time, so that was crossed off of the list. I cleaned 3bar and mass flow sensors too.
I inspected my turbo fans/wheels and they look like new.
I have 31K miles on my car and I just don't believe they are tired turbos..

What I came to conclusion is these small turbos have their limits at high RPM engine demand, I say at about 5500-5800RPM its limits, Smaller turbos have more benefit at lower RPM, no boost lag, larger turbos are more efficient at higher.
Anyway, I just came to conclusion that I just shift at 5500 and call it good.

Here is my log view, 2 and 3rd gears pull, 3rd was not all the way to 6K, ran out of the road, LOL
Red is RPM, Blue WG, Green is Boost in PSI.
2nd gear (first spike) See how blue WG flattens 100% at 6K shift and boost is 12PSI
3rd gear (second spike) 5800RPM WG 100% flat, boost at 14PSI

Thoughts?
 
What has me questioning is Brad gives me the impression that they should be able to hold higher... Which tuning as many SHOs as he does I can only assume he has actually seen. But Idk. That's what I'm trying to see. Any examples of actually holding higher boost on the top end with stock turbos.
 
That's what Matt at gearhead saying my waist gate should be around 80-85% and I should hold higher psi all across.
I would like to see the screenshot of someone log with them numbers.

 
Now, this is something that I had on the back of my mind. Is there any chance that stock blowoff valves not holding pressure and bleeding it out?
Anyway to test that theory? Maybe unplug one at the time, run on one, plug the BW vent hole or something to see if its beading under pressure, like unplug one and put paper over the blowoff vent with zipty and see if pressure blows it to prove if its bleeding boost?

 
The c clip on the WG actuator, the hoses at the solenoid. the diaphragm  on the BOV, and the BOV spring are sometimes faulty/weak.  And of course the noisemaker on the SHO can be as well.
 
Thank you SHOadded, all things you mentioned was checked twice and in great working order.
Noisemakers delete - DONE
C-Clip checked.
all hoses vacuum pressure checked, solenoid was even replaced.
BOV diaphragm checked, checked again and looks great.

 
StinkinLinkin, you want to share your info? I would like to see your input also.

I am in PA, 400ft above sea level,
That's what I am saying, all the environment numbers are perfect...
 
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