Stock, upgraded stock, or ATP turbos ??

[StealBlueSHO]

One more thing about upgraded stockers, I send you new CHRA sections to install on your existing turbo "shells", no down time, no shipping turbos, no core charges. ATP you'll have to send in your turbos after ordering and wait 1-4 weeks for them to ship you the new turbos. That alone is a huge consideration.

I thought we had to send the stocker to you for the new CHRA? That is a BIG plus that you send out just the CHRA section for install... I was unaware of this.. I have not found anywhere online that will send out just the CHRA....even stock... thumbs up!! You maybe getting an order soon..

 

[4DRHTRD]

Nope, new CHRA sent out now, makes it super easy. You get two CHRA and two Tial WGA ready to install.

 

[SHOdded]

:clap:

 

[68_GT]

Nope, new CHRA sent out now, makes it super easy. You get two CHRA and two Tial WGA ready to install.

thanks for talking to me on the phone yesterday and explaining all this. I'll probably go ahead and order them today.

My only concern is having thrown a rod is metal fragments having gotten into my stock turbos. As I recall your CHRA replaces the seals and components that I would need to be concerned about where oil inside my turbos could have been contaminated by metal particles / fragments whatever ??

I like the idea of your turbos but I want all of the turbos to be fresh / new with this new longblock install.

 

[68_GT]

is this all the CHRA is ?? basically replacing these internal sections ? I assume install is self explanatory or easy with the motor out ?

 

[68_GT]

is this all the CHRA is ?? basically replacing these internal sections ? I assume install is self explanatory or easy with the motor out ?

so this is what you get with the upgraded turbos.
here is the process
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwUFMoBZxTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo_7AeO9g4I

 

[SHOdded]

Looks straightforward.

 

[griggs95]

To the OP I was wondering what caused the engine failure? At 130k and minimal mods, I was thinking the dreaded internal water pump. Also, how is the car running now with the new engine and turbos?

I'm looking at upgraded turbo's myself soon and thought this was a good resurrection thread since many of us are approaching 100k miles or more.

 

[Macgyver]

Its always good to discuss and reread thing from the past that got us here to today.

My question is. Just because you can. Doesnt mean you should.

Why not install the ATP total upgrade turbos. Run them at a Daily Driver known power rating so you dont break things. Isnt that better for the Turbo's and maybe some other components to be run conservatively but keep the car in the Low 12's so its a blast to drive. I know it costs more but why not?

 

[derfdog15]

Its always good to discuss and reread thing from the past that got us here to today.

My question is. Just because you can. Doesnt mean you should.

Why not install the ATP total upgrade turbos. Run them at a Daily Driver known power rating so you dont break things. Isnt that better for the Turbo's and maybe some other components to be run conservatively but keep the car in the Low 12's so its a blast to drive. I know it costs more but why not?

I think its a question of budget/goals as well as car health. For much less you can do the EPP CHRA upgrade, and get the power you want for a DD. If you only want a mid 12s to low 12s car, you dont even need the turbo upgrade necessarily.

It's like in the mustang world where people nickle and dime themselves with bolt ons (CAI, longtubes, throttlebody, etc.) instead of just getting a supercharger or turbo kit to start. Or when people go boosted, but don't upgrade the fuel system at the same time, so they save some money and then during tuning, they have to stop before they get the most out of the blower/turbo because they run out of fuel.

It's all a matter of perspective and patience IMO.

 

[J-Will]

is this all the CHRA is ?? basically replacing these internal sections ? I assume install is self explanatory or easy with the motor out ?

yes, but I am fairly confident that you should have your turbos balanced after the install. 

 

[polskifacet]

is this all the CHRA is ?? basically replacing these internal sections ? I assume install is self explanatory or easy with the motor out ?

yes, but I am fairly confident that you should have your turbos balanced after the install.

If the CHRA comes as an assembly its balanced from the manufacturer. Better question is do the upgraded CHRA require tuning?

 

[SHO9987]

is this all the CHRA is ?? basically replacing these internal sections ? I assume install is self explanatory or easy with the motor out ?

yes, but I am fairly confident that you should have your turbos balanced after the install.

If the CHRA comes as an assembly its balanced from the manufacturer. Better question is do the upgraded CHRA require tuning?

When I upgraded the center sections I got the upgraded wastegates from Mike as well.  With both the CHRAs and the wastegates Brad had to make quite a few adjustments to get the car running smooth.  These upgraded CHRAs move a lot of air (I suppose the heavier wastegate springs help with this), but I think it would be silly not to tune for the upgraded CHRAs.

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

What’s the end results with the epp chra? I can’t find any actual performance data. I’m looking to upgrade and would love to know the actual results of these before deciding between these and ATP. I’m leaning towards these based on price and mileage on my Sho.

 

[TripleFlexxx]

What’s the end results with the epp chra? I can’t find any actual performance data. I’m looking to upgrade and would love to know the actual results of these before deciding between these and ATP. I’m leaning towards these based on price and mileage on my Sho.

Thats like comparing apples and oranges.  What are your power goals?

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

Well I’m looking for more of actual numbers for the epp chra as I can’t find the actual expected power gains. Without actual data it’s just “hey it’s faster” Livernois and atp tells you roughly what each thing adds.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Its always good to discuss and reread thing from the past that got us here to today.

My question is. Just because you can. Doesnt mean you should.

Why not install the ATP total upgrade turbos. Run them at a Daily Driver known power rating so you dont break things. Isnt that better for the Turbo's and maybe some other components to be run conservatively but keep the car in the Low 12's so its a blast to drive. I know it costs more but why not?

If you only want a mid 12s to low 12s car, you dont even need the turbo upgrade necessarily.

This right here...

The Bronze SHO ran a DA corrected 12.35 with nothing but Brad's tune and E45 running just 15 PSI so there was room for more boost.

The Lincoln with full E85 and 14 PSI "feels" as fast as the 15. We shall see.

 

[Macgyver]

Its always good to discuss and reread thing from the past that got us here to today.

My question is. Just because you can. Doesnt mean you should.

Why not install the ATP total upgrade turbos. Run them at a Daily Driver known power rating so you dont break things. Isnt that better for the Turbo's and maybe some other components to be run conservatively but keep the car in the Low 12's so its a blast to drive. I know it costs more but why not?

If you only want a mid 12s to low 12s car, you dont even need the turbo upgrade necessarily.

This right here...

The Bronze SHO ran a DA corrected 12.35 with nothing but Brad's tune and E45 running just 15 PSI so there was room for more boost.

The Lincoln with full E85 and 14 PSI "feels" as fast as the 15. We shall see.

Thats sorta what I am saying. Just because you can. Doesnt mean you should.

I will be finding out soon enough too.

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

Ok so nobody has any actual data for the gains of the chra? I’m going to need to order turbo stuff ASAP and hoping these are in the middle of stock and the atp so 100-125hp

 

[ToMang07]

Bumping because I'd love to see data myself.