Tune and warranty issues

Glassman710

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So I just got my first oil change at 2300 miles and was talking to the ford service adviser and he said that if I tune the car I will lose my drivetrain warranty, but he said that I can add aftermarket exhaust and intake without voiding it, what good is the intake and exhaust with out a tune, any suggestions?
 
Well technically he is correct , its kind of a crap shot .
Most members who Tune , return to stock flash if they bring the car back to a dealer for warranty work .
Even when doing so if a dealers shop wants to be buttheads they can still see if the ECM has been re flashed and how many times .
 
SwampRat said:
Well technically he is correct , its kind of a crap shot .
Most members who Tune , return to stock flash if they bring the car back to a dealer for warranty work .
Even when doing so if a dealers shop wants to be buttheads they can still see if the ECM has been re flashed and how many times .

Gthanks for the info, I really want to tune the car and now I don't know what to do
 
Some dealers are more tune-friendly than others.

Also I wouldn't think it would void the drivetrain warranty in it's entirety, some things just cannot be blamed on a tune.

At the end of the day I would just go for the tune, you have a chance at warranty-coverage denial, but it's not a sure thing. You may be able to quiz some other nearby dealers about their stance toward a tuned vehicle.
 
Glassman....
A couple of points:
-CAI... This will not add any noticeable performance... It will change sound and be nice eye candy... Dyno's on my 2013 prove this as well as drag times comparing stock to AM CAI

-The downpipes and catback have both been shown to increase performance and change exaxhaust note to a more pleasing sound also.  Downpipes on my car show about 17 HP with non-catted and about 12 HP catted on the dyno with my '13 SHO with stock tune at that time  Catback is worth about 10-15 HP.  On the Downpipes.... They do cause the turbos to spool much lower moving HP and torque spike to about 1600 rpm from about 2200 rpm... this is really noticeable when accelerating rapidly from standing/low speed.

-Warranty: Ford can tell if you have tuned even if you flash back to stock (it leaves a "ghost" on the ECU flash drive), but this requires special software not normally used... routine OBDII will show the number of times and when the system was accessed... since you can access at home with MX, etc, at any Autozone, or may have OBDII scan gauges like the Aeroforce Interceptor or PLX.... This is what you claim.  It takes a pretty big claim to have Ford engineers look with the special software.

So when you tune, you do roll the dice a bit as far as drivetrain warranty.

The tune was the most dramatic and the most bang for the buck mod I have done.
 
Don't mean to hijack this thread but I have a question in regards to warranty . Ok so I bought my SHO as a certified used car.  Came  with power train warranty up to 100k then on top of that bought an extended warranty for up to 120k . Is the certified warranty and extended warranty related . In other words are these  warranties treated the same .

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southtxSHO said:
Don't mean to hijack this thread but I have a question in regards to warranty . Ok so I bought my SHO as a certified used car.  Came  with power train warranty up to 100k then on top of that bought an extended warranty for up to 120k . Is the certified warranty and extended warranty related . In other words are these  warranties treated the same .

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CPO is through Ford ... some are powertrain and some are bumper to Bumper  , not sure what you have ,

Extended Warranties are usually through 3rd part warranty providers and vary widely , what is your extended for ?
 
glass:
before i did anything to my sho, i asked my serv mgr same question & got exactly the same answer, air in & out no big deal. tune & minor no big deal, tune & major could be a big deal dependent if ford gets involved. dealers love warranty work, easy $$. but of course ford corp hates it. well I was stuck where you are at. but with my built in '09 & had read about tranny issues i decided to wait to tune. anyway now having tranny issues, first was at low speed, drop out of gear & then klunk back into gear real intermittant. well they fixed that, now mulitple times daily when slow  to 25 & then mild acceration, it down shifts, same thing happens drops out of gear then klunk & then back into gear. i still want to tune it but!!!
 
Find a tune-friendly dealer, if possible. 
Get your checklist of possible issues/needed supporting hardware together and completed before loading a tune. 
Keep track of issues you experience. 
Reach out for help from your fellow members, search this forum for answers & TSBs, etc. 
Return to stock before taking it in for service for aforementioned issues. 

This should minimize your aggravation in the process of enjoying your car.
 
What I did honestly is on my 1st courtesy oil change back in oct I only had an airaid cai on there and spoke to the service manager about that,basically I was trying to feel him out,i just give him the secret hand shake everytime and say get some coffee,everytime I see him he gets friendlier,basically if you can afford to buy car like that you have to take care of the crew and hopefully they take care of you when the time comes.
 
Ok thanks for the tips, I will tune the car, I most likely will do unleashed tuning because his shop is 4.5 hours away I might take a trip and put it on his dyno
 
I have to agree find a tune friendly dealer. Also the manufacturer has to prove that the failure was directly attributed to the tune.
 
REDSHOCGO said:
I have to agree find a tune friendly dealer. Also the manufacturer has to prove that the failure was directly attributed to the tune.

Unfortunately Ford can deny any powertrain warranty if THEY choose too .
All they have to Prove is that the ECU has had an unauthorized re flash , easy for them to do .
 
I drove the car for 25k miles before I tuned my SHO. Figured by then any issues would have worked their way out.

Plan on doing the same with th x-sport.
 
I read this on another forum, I can't remember where, but I copied it and made some inquiries.

The techs I talked to indicated it is accurate.

"First, if you leave the vehicle tuned, like I said above, they can tell by comparing parameters that the vehicle has been tuned. That being said, if the vehicle is flashed back to stock, they cannot tell anything aside from the KAM being erased and a P1000 code present...both of which are indicative to either a dead battery or being flash tuned.

In more detail, when a vehicle is flashed, whether it be with a tune or back to stock, the ECM KAM (keep all memory) is erased and a P1000 code is stored(which means emissions controls have been reset and idle tables figures have not been stored), which basically boils down to a complete drive cycle has not been performed. P1000 is basically an invisible code that is stored in the ECM only and does not throw a check engine light. It can only be found with a scanner or factory software. Now all of those exact flags like I said, also show up when a battery has been disconnected for more than 30 minutes too.

So you have 2 ways around it....
1. Flash the vehicle back to stock and then complete a drive cycle before going to the dealer for service. A drive cycle consists of driving for 50 miles all the while, driving at different speeds including stop and go, highway, etc etc. Normal driving of course, from low speed to highways speeds. That then fills the idle tables and stores emissions information too. Therefore leaving no trace of the vehicle ECM ever being tampered with!
2. If the vehicle is not drivable, you then can flash the vehicle back to stock and then turn on the radio and other power accessories to run the battery down to dead status. That then, (if you recall what I said above as far as the battery being disconnected causing the same things), makes the vehicle KAM become erased, emissions tables reset and P1000 code be stored. The difference is, the battery being dead gives you a viable and 100% believable excuse as to why those things were stored in the computer. Hence, making it look like just a dead battery issue, therefore no one becomes the wiser. You just wait to call the tow truck and then use the excuse that the tow truck took so long, you were listening to music and such while you were waiting.

All of the above is direct first hand experience that I have and not speculation. Hopefully it gives a better understanding of how the ECM operates, as far as flash tuning is concerned, and helps to put to rest, some of the fear of using a flash tuner."

DISCLAIMER
YMMV, And I'm trying to get an answer as to whether this is accurate for 2013+ vehicles since we know there is new encryption.

 
So, if I read the above post correctly; as long as the vehicle is flashed back to stock, and a full drive cycle is completed, there is no "ghost" of the tuned flash that can be found with "special Ford software and equipment" like we've all heard?

Example; If a formerly tuned, used SHO is traded in to a dealership, but has been reflashed back to stock for 3,000miles. Is there ANY way the dealership, or Ford, can tell that vehicle has had an "unauthorized flash"??

TIA
 
JimiJak said:
So, if I read the above post correctly; as long as the vehicle is flashed back to stock, and a full drive cycle is completed, there is no "ghost" of the tuned flash that can be found with "special Ford software and equipment" like we've all heard?

Example; If a formerly tuned, used SHO is traded in to a dealership, but has been reflashed back to stock for 3,000miles. Is there ANY way the dealership, or Ford, can tell that vehicle has had an "unauthorized flash"??

TIA
According to the personnel I have spoken with, this is correct, but I cannot verify for 2013+, yet.

 
FoMoCoSHO said:
JimiJak said:
So, if I read the above post correctly; as long as the vehicle is flashed back to stock, and a full drive cycle is completed, there is no "ghost" of the tuned flash that can be found with "special Ford software and equipment" like we've all heard?

Example; If a formerly tuned, used SHO is traded in to a dealership, but has been reflashed back to stock for 3,000miles. Is there ANY way the dealership, or Ford, can tell that vehicle has had an "unauthorized flash"??

TIA
According to the personnel I have spoken with, this is correct, but I cannot verify for 2013+, yet.

Eager to hear follow up on this...I'll try to get a hold of my guy tomorrow too.
 
JimiJak said:
FoMoCoSHO said:
JimiJak said:
So, if I read the above post correctly; as long as the vehicle is flashed back to stock, and a full drive cycle is completed, there is no "ghost" of the tuned flash that can be found with "special Ford software and equipment" like we've all heard?

Example; If a formerly tuned, used SHO is traded in to a dealership, but has been reflashed back to stock for 3,000miles. Is there ANY way the dealership, or Ford, can tell that vehicle has had an "unauthorized flash"??

TIA
According to the personnel I have spoken with, this is correct, but I cannot verify for 2013+, yet.

Eager to hear follow up on this...I'll try to get a hold of my guy tomorrow too.
When dealing with issues such as these, the more verification the better!
 
So simple.... just disconnect the battery for 30 minute after I flash back to stock.... drive cycle too is easy after this....

BUT... I would really like to hear verification for '13+ models.

Hope your guy can give it Jack
 
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