Here at E.B.P.F things work out a little different here,we try to keep our discussions grounded and straight to the point,not outside the box,maybe you spent to much time over the explorer forum,here we have a little more respect for one another,keep it real.liteyouup said:Call people out by name, not " a certain member." Don't sugar coat it! LOL
ajpturbo said:Questions like these make me wonder if people really understand what happens with a "tune" when you tune your car. If a tune is set up right, then there is nothing to relearn or revert to. The ECU doesn't store a previous version or a hard code within the ECU that it always will try to go back to.
When a tune is wrote and loaded to a device then flashed to the car the ECU has been completely reformatted and the ECU only knows what values have been inserted into all the various tables, and there are a lot. Even when the person that writes the tune leaves adaptive fuel control on, as long as it's set up correctly then it will adapt to what the tuner has defined in the tables and scalars.
The old tune is GONE when you flash your car, it is however stored in your flash device so you can revert to stock if needed. And for the guys with a 3 bar tune, if the car was in a constant state of trying to revert to stock then it wouldn't run well the closer it's gets to stock and eventually not at all. The values that are changed in a 3 bar tune won't allow the car to run if it was trying to get back to stock
Why dont we trying sticking with the topic and keep the discussion factual and grounded,so basically I dont know why you see the need to trump,mention constantly in almost all your posts the negatives of a 3-bar,i try hard to to keep my conversations friendly and factual.and i let people believe what they want to believe,no good will be done here by me proving your misinformed.ajpturbo said:Questions like these make me wonder if people really understand what happens with a "tune" when you tune your car. If a tune is set up right, then there is nothing to relearn or revert to. The ECU doesn't store a previous version or a hard code within the ECU that it always will try to go back to.
When a tune is wrote and loaded to a device then flashed to the car the ECU has been completely reformatted and the ECU only knows what values have been inserted into all the various tables, and there are a lot. Even when the person that writes the tune leaves adaptive fuel control on, as long as it's set up correctly then it will adapt to what the tuner has defined in the tables and scalars.
The old tune is GONE when you flash your car, it is however stored in your flash device so you can revert to stock if needed. And for the guys with a 3 bar tune, if the car was in a constant state of trying to revert to stock then it wouldn't run well the closer it's gets to stock and eventually not at all. The values that are changed in a 3 bar tune won't allow the car to run if it was trying to get back to stock
ajpturbo said:I have a 3 bar. No worries. Most people's insight in tuning on this forum is horrible. I can tell you what's actually in the tables in the tune. Most people here don't know what an MTF is or have the software to open it. So you won't be able to prove me wrong on much in that department. The adaptive is limited to what is defined in the tables.
SHOnUup said:.15 looks like a healthy # to me to be losing at the track. But that's me. Torque isn't spot on for sure. Spin the tires at all and the #'s get out of whack. But it's a decent baseline to monitor some stuff for sure.
Rich
Have you ever been to the track with your SHO,which would like to see a pic of,carry on!!ajpturbo said:SHOnUup said:.15 looks like a healthy # to me to be losing at the track. But that's me. Torque isn't spot on for sure. Spin the tires at all and the #'s get out of whack. But it's a decent baseline to monitor some stuff for sure.
Rich
With 450-500 ft/lbs of torque at the wheels with a strong tune and spinning the front wheels briefly I don't think .15 seconds is a lot at all...Would barely be 1 mph..From amateur drivers running street class no less....But we can disagree with one another.
Thats a really cool pic,i meant the other lad!!SHOnUup said:![]()
Maybe....
Rich
You proved me wrong, :worthlesswithoutpics[1]: LOL.SHOnUup said:Thx...I know, just felt this was a great spot to insert pic I like...
Rich
Maybe one day we can meetup at the strip,did you ever go to Cecil county dragway? i think here in n.y-n.j they open up in March,also if its not any trouble post a pic of your SHO,would love to see it.ajpturbo said:No. I have a 14' mustang GT with a Hellion twin turbo kit that that I was tuning on then in November when I finally starting getting the tune right with the SHO the track closed...So here in Pa I won't get to go out until april but I'm anxious to get out