Why not straight E85?

[StealBlueSHO]

I have been scrolling through this great thread but how many have been able to hit the 11's benchmark without weight reduction! Sorry a bit off Topic. Z

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I forgot 802SHO is spraying meth.


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Hey!  Leave us meth heads out of this

Acknowledgement is the first step... if I was able to get off meth, anyone can!


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[802SHO]

I have been scrolling through this great thread but how many have been able to hit the 11's benchmark without weight reduction! Sorry a bit off Topic. Z

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I forgot 802SHO is spraying meth.


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Hey!  Leave us meth heads out of this

Acknowledgement is the first step... if I was able to get off meth, anyone can!


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I can't I won't I need more!!!!  More is better!!!!  Who says better? 

 

[TopherSho]

Quit being a grump!

Ha! That made me laugh. Which was needed btw, so thank you for that there BJ.

No grumpiness here. Just don't like the E. Never have. Which is why I said earlier.....

"Alas, I digress".



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I also dislike e85 as a 100% fuel source,  like you im a bit older.  It's more to do with how we source it in the US for me coupled with how it was 'brought to market' and is 'subsidized' leaving many to think its better, cleaner and cheaper which it definatley is not.

As a race fuel if you are set up for it and can get true e85 every time such as from solvent shops its great stuff.  But from the pump ... i have seen way to much variation in the mixes even from the likes of 76', chevron and Texaco. 

 

[bpd1151]

Quit being a grump!

Ha! That made me laugh. Which was needed btw, so thank you for that there BJ.

No grumpiness here. Just don't like the E. Never have. Which is why I said earlier.....

"Alas, I digress".



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I also dislike e85 as a 100% fuel source,  like you im a bit older.  It's more to do with how we source it in the US for me coupled with how it was 'brought to market' and is 'subsidized' leaving many to think its better, cleaner and cheaper which it definatley is not.

As a race fuel if you are set up for it and can get true e85 every time such as from solvent shops its great stuff.  But from the pump ... i have seen way to much variation in the mixes even from the likes of 76', chevron and Texaco.

You sir, read my mind all to well.

Scary.

I agree with your sentiments on the subject matter.

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[sm105k]

Quit being a grump!

Ha! That made me laugh. Which was needed btw, so thank you for that there BJ.

No grumpiness here. Just don't like the E. Never have. Which is why I said earlier.....

"Alas, I digress".



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I also dislike e85 as a 100% fuel source,  like you im a bit older.  It's more to do with how we source it in the US for me coupled with how it was 'brought to market' and is 'subsidized' leaving many to think its better, cleaner and cheaper which it definatley is not.

As a race fuel if you are set up for it and can get true e85 every time such as from solvent shops its great stuff.  But from the pump ... i have seen way to much variation in the mixes even from the likes of 76', chevron and Texaco.

This is exactly why I don't run my wild E30 tune on pump E products.  For that tune I run Torco T85 mixed only with Qwik Trip 91 octane.  However, that my change down the road.  Also another reason why I test any E product going into my car.

 

[sm105k]

I have been scrolling through this great thread but how many have been able to hit the 11's benchmark without weight reduction! Sorry a bit off Topic. Z

From what I read so far 2?  BPD and 802?  I want it on either E30 or race fuel.  Stock long block, stock turbos, full bolt on's (DP's, 3rd cat delete, intercooler, and possibly a HPFP) at full weight! If I can get my current set up into the 12.30's (down from a 12.56) I think it is 100 percent obtainable.  Considering I had a boost reference line pop off, and the throttle was closing during my 12.56 pass. The car only went 108 mph on the big end (down for 111 to 112) . With the a 1.77 sixty foot and my normal  MPH I see a 12.30 in good D.A. tune only.

 

[bpd1151]

Former SHO owners and forum members Darreli, and FirstSHO also hit 11's w/o any weight reduction.

Trying to remember who else.......

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[ZSHO]

The 11's was within my grasps @ CCD with Manu! I guess as 802SHO allluded too I should of ran a few more runs but didn't want to add insult to injury as I thought my PTU was to blame for the wheel hop!!!
I should of dropped the tires a bit more on close to half a tank of fuel.  Z

 

[802SHO]

Hmmm I like the way this reads but unfortunately no I have not hit an 11 at full weight.  I'll break it down from full weight best to lightest best.  Interesting that my personal best is NOT the lightest. 

Full Weight 12.06
Back seats removed only 11.83
Back seats, front passenger seat, glove box emptied, engine cover removed, no head rest or floor mats 11.94.

For the record I have shared this info previously.  All of those runs were the same tune.  So no changes in tune, I did experiment with some weight reduction and started messing with tire pressure.  I think whatever happened with that 11.83 with the rear seats out...curious that would have been a run at full weight at some sort of 11.9.  Thats only speculation. 

Time will tell.  And folks this was all with 93 octane.  Not pure, this is the pump 93 E10.  And with my single nozzle Alky Control Meth Injection kit purchased from Livernois and of course only 100% VP M1. 

 

[sm105k]

Hmmm I like the way this reads but unfortunately no I have not hit an 11 at full weight.  I'll break it down from full weight best to lightest best.  Interesting that my personal best is NOT the lightest. 

Full Weight 12.06
Back seats removed only 11.83
Back seats, front passenger seat, glove box emptied, engine cover removed, no head rest or floor mats 11.94.

For the record I have shared this info previously.  All of those runs were the same tune.  So no changes in tune, I did experiment with some weight reduction and started messing with tire pressure.  I think whatever happened with that 11.83 with the rear seats out...curious that would have been a run at full weight at some sort of 11.9.  Thats only speculation. 

Time will tell.  And folks this was all with 93 octane.  Not pure, this is the pump 93 E10.  And with my single nozzle Alky Control Meth Injection kit purchased from Livernois and of course only 100% VP M1.

See this gives me hope and justification.

 

[802SHO]

Hmmm I like the way this reads but unfortunately no I have not hit an 11 at full weight.  I'll break it down from full weight best to lightest best.  Interesting that my personal best is NOT the lightest. 

Full Weight 12.06
Back seats removed only 11.83
Back seats, front passenger seat, glove box emptied, engine cover removed, no head rest or floor mats 11.94.

For the record I have shared this info previously.  All of those runs were the same tune.  So no changes in tune, I did experiment with some weight reduction and started messing with tire pressure.  I think whatever happened with that 11.83 with the rear seats out...curious that would have been a run at full weight at some sort of 11.9.  Thats only speculation. 

Time will tell.  And folks this was all with 93 octane.  Not pure, this is the pump 93 E10.  And with my single nozzle Alky Control Meth Injection kit purchased from Livernois and of course only 100% VP M1.

See this gives me hope and justification.

I think you'll hit your mark...or it will be so close it'll drive you insane!  When all the moon's align...Excellent tune, DA, track prep, tires slightly soft, near perfect launch resulting in new PB 60ft with 50 miles to empty or less...anything can happen. 

 

[shoNoff]

I have a feeling with this intercooler coming out you are going to see a lot more stock turbo sho’s in the 11’s

 

[ajpturbo]

I have a feeling with this intercooler coming out you are going to see a lot more stock turbo sho’s in the 11’s

I would say you need around 16+ psi of boost and about 20-22 degrees of spark...But there are still some variables on top of that..If not using meth, you may or may not have the fuel to support that...And if not using meth you have to hope that the intercooler will cool off the aircharge to support that spark and even if the aircharge is super cool you still may not be able to support that spark level on 93...Then if you add ethanol for octane you will hurt fuel flow even more

Basically if using stock turbos you have to rely on having spark to get you to the power level to run the 11's because you don't have the airflow to make the horsepower to get to 11's...But there are a few ways to skin this cat.

Intercooler and turbos and 93 might work well...Same reason turbo upgrades on the stock fuel system makes sense even though people think turbos are pointless on stock fuel system.....You can make more horsepower due to airflow but the lower boost makes less torque but you gain in flow which has alot to do with HP which also helps 1/4 mile times.


I think you see that in the dyno's from larger turbos...More HP but less TQ and more peaky gains which is good for 1/4 mile.  OK I'm rambling now.

 

[StinkinLinkin13]

I wonder what AJP would be able to do with that HPFP? So let me ask this... Would a less efficient (volume) yet aggressive full E85 tune out perform a 93+meth tune all other things EQUAL? There seems to be and intersecting point in said options. Two different paths for the same results?

 

[4DRHTRD]

I ran straight E85, engine loves it.

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[StealBlueSHO]

I ran straight E85, engine loves it.

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Troll.... not all of us drive Tremors.. or have a full auxiliary setup :-D


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[4DRHTRD]

I had it on my flex, just have to do the work

 

[StealBlueSHO]

I had it on my flex, just have to do the work

Yea... I just want a drop in canister solution lol..


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[4DRHTRD]

Unfortunately I can't get my old supplier to put on the pump setup any more which was a drop in solution in the tank.
Need the 65 DI pump and injectors from my understanding. We'll see on my Tremor one day

 

[Warriormonx]

So if you have a sufficient aftermarket HPFP (more volume/psi)... Whats preventing guys from running straight E85? After speaking with a tuner (intentionally unnamed), E85 would only be tuned/used in conjunction with meth injection... which to me seems counter productive as far as wanting to avoid using meth altogether... Still running out of fuel at that point? Injectors limits? Engine hp limit?

So you talked to LMS... but I digress...

We have the injectors and the pump. The fuel lines are adequate according the Gearhead. The part that is holding us up is the in tank low pressure pumps that sit in the saddle. They are your basic canister style fuel pumps which if we had a shop willing to look at them, could be an easy fix.

I had a spare pump I sent to BPD1151 for reconditioning and I THINK to be possibly modified to support more fuel flow.

That’s it at this point I believe....


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I have installed a port injection (auxiliary) kit with a radium spacer, Bosch injectors, controller and b/t ethanol sensor. Running straight e85 on my RS. Is fine with OEM fuel pump but does require upgraded lines and, obviously, a tune (that you flash to the accessport and the port injection controller). 

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