staged_sho
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http://www.ecoboostownerforums.com/forum/ecoboost-taurus-sho-mks-forum/ecoboost-sho-mks-general-discussion/53706-livernois-xv1-tune#post53706
Didn't see this mentioned here, FYI.
Didn't see this mentioned here, FYI.
XV1 requiring meth
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DJE624
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Yeah, it's here somewhere. Too bad. But they say they will keep working on a version that doesn't require it. It's kinda like waiting for the new model car. We all want it now. ;D
steve142857
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I have meth etc. I have been ready for almost a year (actually I am the one that asked for a tune like the XV1) and nothing yet, still the conservative tune... If they experience issues for non-meth, I wish they could release a meth XV1 to start.
After all, XV1 is the mkst aggressive at our own risks for tracking purposes... At that point, someone that is serious about tracking his SHO should consider meth. For the others, stage 4+ is already fun!
Just my .02... Come on LMS! You can do it... I give you until mid March before my tracking season starts again...
After all, XV1 is the mkst aggressive at our own risks for tracking purposes... At that point, someone that is serious about tracking his SHO should consider meth. For the others, stage 4+ is already fun!
Just my .02... Come on LMS! You can do it... I give you until mid March before my tracking season starts again...
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DJE624
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I agree Steve. 4+ is a ball! Mine just got a little tweak from my dyno pulls when I was out there so I am completely satisfied with it. Not to say, I won't be keeping my eye out for the non-meth Xv1 someday.
Why don't you call him up and ask for a sponsorship? Maybe he can build you a XV1 tune and data log during races to help tweak it in real world applications. (AKA test mule with a benefit to you.)steve142857 said:Come on LMS! You can do it... I give you until mid March before my tracking season starts again...
steve142857
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I already advertised for them with a windshield banner for more than two years... I already offered to be their guinea pig... I already went in person (20 hours drive) to have it dyno tuned and yet, 8 months later, they still haven't been able (and I'm ok with that... frustrated a bit at the beginning but better late than sorry) to tweak my conservative tune.futat2 said:Why don't you call him up and ask for a sponsorship? Maybe he can build you a XV1 tune and data log during races to help tweak it in real world applications. (AKA test mule with a benefit to you.)steve142857 said:Come on LMS! You can do it... I give you until mid March before my tracking season starts again...
So not much more I can do. My conclusion is that they are very professional and want to maintain their solid reputation. But, XV1 is not their priority. They only have Dan as a tuner... they already offer good and safe tunes for ecoboost. That older tune is now profitable and XV1 is an extra for a bunch of us which won't bring them much extra business... They offer performance improvements for a lot of North American cars, not only ecoboost vehicles...
For the time that Dan can work, it is more profitable for LMS that he works on other things... That is why it is taking so long... Combined to the fact that 2013's EBs are more difficult to tweak.
So I am still hopeful that they can offer a XV1 with methanol for March, but I wouldn't bet on it...
steve142857
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You can always order them the kit (I believe they charge around 900$) and then have a local speed shop do the install if you can't do it yourself.Darkside said:With this news, I wish they would then charge less than 3500 to install a meth setup.
There is a how-to thread and the kit comes with instructions. It should take anywhere from 10-20 hours for the install. Around here, speed shop charge around 75$ per hour... probably a bit cheaper in the States, depending where you are... So you are looking at a 750-1500$ for the install, so all-in it should come to less than 2,500$, probably closer to 2,000$.
Since you already purchased a tune from LMS, they will send you an adapted file considering your new mod... By experience, no need to have it dyno tuned. The two times I drove 20 hours, it was worthless. The first time the can tune was already optimal apparently and the second time, Dan couldn't tweakt it too much, so he gave me a conservative tune which I am still running...
So I would suggest you to pull the trigger on the meth kit if you are intesrested and have it installed... There is a lot of power available after that mod...
I test drove a tuned SHO with intake and it felt very sluggish compared to mine with methanol. So really Worth the extra money, but gotta agree with you that their 3,500$ is a bit exagerated imo.
Cheers!
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DJE624
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steve142857 said:
Wow! I can't imagine my SHO being considered sluggish. It wails like a banshee. True you are a second faster than me. ;D
There is a reputable shop in MD doing the kit install for $500.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Revolution-Automotive/150497078319630
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Revolution-Automotive/150497078319630
why don't they simply address the problem that goes along with the XV1 ? Fuel delivery ?
different fuel pumps, boost-a-pump etc ???
seems like a simple solution as a requiremment to run the XV1.
I already wonder if my SHO would benefit from a boost-a-pump with a stage 4 LMS tune in.
Sometimes it feels like its running out of gas. It gets stuck at 5K rpms and want accelerate past that rpm and almost feels like a rev limiter. Also sometimes it hesitates that I thoguht was spark blow out but I regapped my plugs to .28 and it's the same. Mainly happens on downshifts to 2nd.
different fuel pumps, boost-a-pump etc ???
seems like a simple solution as a requiremment to run the XV1.
I already wonder if my SHO would benefit from a boost-a-pump with a stage 4 LMS tune in.
Sometimes it feels like its running out of gas. It gets stuck at 5K rpms and want accelerate past that rpm and almost feels like a rev limiter. Also sometimes it hesitates that I thoguht was spark blow out but I regapped my plugs to .28 and it's the same. Mainly happens on downshifts to 2nd.
4DRHTRD said:Boost a pump won't do much as the pressure is set at 50 psi, doing a return system and upping the pressure makes a huge difference.68_GT said:
I have a solution, working on plug and play.
how does one do that and how to get the benefit ? how do you up the pressure ? are you saying this is something you are working on for yourself, and the EB community ?
modding these cars can be frustrating..... I guess it's an ecoboost thing thanks to Ford making it so difficult !
68_GT said:
I can't answer it for the XV1, but above 500WHP, with one of Torrie's (Unleashed) SCT tunes, 4DR began to have trouble with fuel delivery and fuel rail pressure (there's another pump near the manifold for this per Dan at LMS... limited to 2000psi) that caused the ECM to shut him down to prevent too lean a mixture when he went to E85. 4DR developed a fuel delivery system with an extra pump, new injectors, and a few other changes. He was running it on his 600+WHP Flex and showed it to me over at Black Market Racing a couple of weeks ago. It's not too complicated, and he posted the details here somewhere... I think in the fueling thread... He can reproduce it for about $2800 as I remember. Bottom line... you're right, it's a hardware problem at some point depending on tune, mods, and fuel. Putting it on should not be difficult, but you may need to data log (and use an SCT tune) or visit LMS to have your ride tuned with it to get it to work right.
Yeah, only going to get worse, with ever-restrictive safety & mpg regs. Doesn't help that the Taurus is classified as a family sedan and the SHO is probably already considered a rocket in that context. Plus there's a question of sales volume.
Just out of curiousity, what were the OEM specs on your 2000 Mustang, and how did your mods affect fuel economy & streetability?
Just out of curiousity, what were the OEM specs on your 2000 Mustang, and how did your mods affect fuel economy & streetability?
The key is
No need for the aux injectors and controller, it can be connected to the factory DI setup and fuel up to around 600HP on gas.
Return style fuel system with a boost referenced FPR.68_GT said:4DRHTRD said:Boost a pump won't do much as the pressure is set at 50 psi, doing a return system and upping the pressure makes a huge difference.68_GT said:
I have a solution, working on plug and play.
how does one do that and how to get the benefit ? how do you up the pressure ? are you saying this is something you are working on for yourself, and the EB community ?
modding these cars can be frustrating..... I guess it's an ecoboost thing thanks to Ford making it so difficult !
No need for the aux injectors and controller, it can be connected to the factory DI setup and fuel up to around 600HP on gas.
4DRHTRD said:The key isReturn style fuel system with a boost referenced FPR.68_GT said:4DRHTRD said:Boost a pump won't do much as the pressure is set at 50 psi, doing a return system and upping the pressure makes a huge difference.68_GT said:
I have a solution, working on plug and play.
how does one do that and how to get the benefit ? how do you up the pressure ? are you saying this is something you are working on for yourself, and the EB community ?
modding these cars can be frustrating..... I guess it's an ecoboost thing thanks to Ford making it so difficult !
No need for the aux injectors and controller, it can be connected to the factory DI setup and fuel up to around 600HP on gas.
nice next question how to get to 600 HP ? simple as upgrading turbos and fuel delivery
SHOdded said:
yeah fuel economy was pretty bad mainly if you put your foot in it a lot that power requires a lot of fuel ! However it wasn't too terrible if I drove it slowly becasue the engine / heads and everything was so efficient. It had 355 gears to help with traction so the highway rpms wasn't too high even with a TKO trnasmission with no 5th overdrive ratio. Streetability was fine you just have to be carefull getting sideways at 70mph isn't for the faint of heart lol I later took off the Novi 2000 that made higer peak hp and put on a Kenne Bell twin screw that had less peak power but lot more under the curve. 580 RWTQ at 2,200 rpmw is a blast....with 315 drag radials
