2013 XSport - DTC P0016 - Camshaft Position Correlation, Bank 1

[Sabtaj1]

I just did my Flex recently.  Actually not a bad job to do at all.  It took me about 8 hours start to finish.  We dont have the phaser issues like the f150 so those should be fine.  Just need the chain, both large tensioners, and only the one small one located towards the front of the car up top, a new tensioner part that you pull pin and it puts pressure on the chain (brain fart), new crank pulley bolt, vct solenoid gaskets, intake gaskets, the ford sealant recommended for cover, O ring for where coolant attaches to bottom of intake and I would change water pump while in there.  Its quite simple and does not require many tools at all.  Just time and the cam alignment plates.  Which I purchased... And a Chrysler style pulley puller that you can barrow from autozone.  I was quoted 1600-1700 just in labor through the local ford dealer.  All in all I think I did mine for $500 or so plus my time.

Ps.  My chain was stretched bad.  I used to work at the local ford dealer like 20 years ago.  They had recently had a newer f150 that had 25k miles and had to have the chain replaced for being stretched. 

 

[MiWiAu]

TL/DR: Fixed, but not really.

Dealer called yesterday afternoon and said the Explorer was ready to be picked up. I had my wife's car at work, so I stopped by the dealership on my way home to settle-up and get the keys. Total bill after tax was $3158.62. They dropped the $99 inspection cost and reduced the hourly rate to their "standard" $129.95 instead of the $147ish I was originally quoted.

Repair documentation indicates they completed the timing chain repair, the carbon monoxide recall repair, and confirmed everything was operational with a 6 mile test drive.

Fast forward to this AM. My wife dropped me off at the dealer at 7:20AM, so I could get the Explorer and drive myself to work. Pulled out to the stop light, got a green left arrow and proceeded through the intersection to the sound of a massive boost leak and no power.

Pulled a u-turn at the next intersection and dropped it back off at the dealer. Took the complimentary shuttle to work this morning, and now waiting on another call that it's actually fixed. Not sure how they missed that on the test drive. All the electronics and HVAC was powered down when I started it this morning, and I heard the leak over the sound of my heater blasting and the radio on.

:blowup:

On the plus side, no P0016 code in the 6.2 mile drive since the repair.

 

[SHOdded]

Prob forgot to reconnect a hose or two/secure it properly. Very common after major repairs.

 

[MiWiAu]

Prob forgot to reconnect a hose or two/secure it properly. Very common after major repairs.

I figured. Just surprised it wasn’t caught during the test drive. I heard it immediately, so I suspect it was loose before I picked it up. Ohhh well.

SA called about 5 mins ago and said they got it fixed. Waiting on the shuttle now.

Side note: I saw a small box of parts on the floor mat in my back seat. Not sure what all is in there yet, but will get an inventory when I get home tonight.


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[MiWiAu]

Round 2. Better, but still a slight leak under hard acceleration, but substantially better than before. I called the SA and notified him. I'm going to drive it home tonight and reinstall the hoses from the BOVs to the charge pipes, so all the air noises are eliminated at let-off.

If they are doing short on/off acceleration pulls through town and obeying speed limits, the BOVs might be masking the leak, which gets worse under prolonged acceleration as the turbos spool up.

I told them I wanted to take a tech and/or service advisor out tomorrow morning, to confirm they are hearing what I am hearing.  :devil: Muahahahahaha! Shake 'n Bake!

 

[SHOdded]

:drive: >

 

[ebutler92]

How long have you been running with your BOV dumping to atmosphere?


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[MiWiAu]

How long have you been running with your BOV dumping to atmosphere?

About 2.5 years / 45k miles. The blow-off is pre-metered air on the EcoBoost, so it won't cause any runability problems like it can on other turbo layouts.

Frankly, I'll probably just leave the BOV hoses on after I reinstall them tonight.

The release is quite loud with both the front and rear hoses removed (rear points directly at firewall). If you want a more muted effect in the cabin, you can remove just the front one.

 

[sm105k]

How long have you been running with your BOV dumping to atmosphere?

About 2.5 years / 45k miles. The blow-off is pre-metered air on the EcoBoost, so it won't cause any runability problems like it can on other turbo layouts.

Frankly, I'll probably just leave the BOV hoses on after I reinstall them tonight.

The release is quite loud with both the front and rear hoses removed (rear points directly at firewall). If you want a more muted effect in the cabin, you can remove just the front one.

I vented mine to atmosphere within the first 24 hours of owning my SHO.  I love how quiet the car is overall, and when you want to give someone the business give them the BOV's!  lol.

 

[ebutler92]

Well an update. Glad I took my xsport to my friend shop rather than ford. Did a leak test with the smoke machine finding the rear bov was stuck open. Took it apart and found the rear had a blown diaphragm. This is most likely the cause of my stutter and issues. Much easier fix than the timing chain. Will update after replacement of both


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[MiWiAu]

Was reinstalling my BOV plumbing and noticed the dealer left the boost reference line disconnected, which explains the noise and erratic BOV discharges. Reconnected it and tightened the charge pipe retaining nut that they left loose, and I seem to be back in business for the time being.

I hope the attention to detail on the internal work exceeded that of the external work.

Well an update. Glad I took my xsport to my friend shop rather than ford. Did a leak test with the smoke machine finding the rear bov was stuck open. Took it apart and found the rear had a blown diaphragm. This is most likely the cause of my stutter and issues.

Thanks for the update! Hope this gets you sorted!


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[SHOdded]

Well an update. Glad I took my xsport to my friend shop rather than ford. Did a leak test with the smoke machine finding the rear bov was stuck open. Took it apart and found the rear had a blown diaphragm. This is most likely the cause of my stutter and issues. Much easier fix than the timing chain. Will update after replacement of both

Fingers crossed, that is all it is. One step at a time

 

[ebutler92]

Under further investigation the oil smell was in fact from the PTU leaking on the exhaust. That’s out and being freshened up as well.


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[ebutler92]

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[MiWiAu]

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Super interesting. Were you down on power as well?

Just curious, did you have your BOV vented to atmosphere? If so, did it make a horrendous noise under boost with the ruptured diaphragm?

If it had the original plumbing hooked up, I’m wondering how it was caught with a smoke test, since it would essentially be closed loop at that point.


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[ebutler92]

Never did the vent to atmosphere thing. Never interested me. Cold air provided enough sound to satisfy my needs. But anyway, we pulled off the recirculation tube that then BOV’s are mounted to and plugged both ends and port. It should have been a closed loop and no smoke should escape. Except the bov for the rear was stuck open allowing smoke to pour out. That’s why we took it apart and discovered the bad diaphragm


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[MiWiAu]

Never did the vent to atmosphere thing. Never interested me. Cold air provided enough sound to satisfy my needs. But anyway, we pulled off the recirculation tube that then BOV’s are mounted to and plugged both ends and port. It should have been a closed loop and no smoke should escape. Except the bov for the rear was stuck open allowing smoke to pour out. That’s why we took it apart and discovered the bad diaphragm

Nice. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying!


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[ebutler92]

Sorry, to answer the other question. Yes it was down on power.


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[10bird]

My 2013 SHO is getting the P0016.  It has 97K so it probably needs a new chain.  Are there any upgrades that could be done at the same time to save labor? Would installing an intercooler be easier if done at the same time?

 

[nickstewartroc]

My 2013 SHO is getting the P0016.  It has 97K so it probably needs a new chain.  Are there any upgrades that could be done at the same time to save labor? Would installing an intercooler be easier if done at the same time?

Should replace your water pump while in there, and while you have it apart probably a good time for the intercooler as well!