Crossing fingers. Car in the shop for parts swapping..

update,  My dealership still sucks.  They cannot diagnose the wastegates.  even on OEM tune.  they see the spark go from 16 degrees to -0- instantly at 5500 rpm,  and do it REPEATEDLY,  all while bucking the car and making horrible noises.  no frigging codes the entire time.

now it has developed a starting issue. accessories come one, 'push to start' lights up.  press the brake and hit start  the car goes through the motions but the starter motor doesn't 'turn'..  no codes occur.  if i stop it and do it again it tries to kill me by pushing the driver seat ALL the way up.. super weird.

starting to get really frustrated.

 
When the spark drops that low is it during an UPSHIFT? When you get torque source 7 which is shifting torque reduction you will see really low spark...That's part of how the ECU will control the power for the shift

But the bucking and noises don't sound normal obviously
 
Congrats to Oregon! I see your glorious politicians deemed you qualified to pump your own gas.

Oregonians now freaking out, lmao!
 
Na, we're WAY before the upshift.  4500+ it will start bucking .. 5500 it is super bad and it just keeps doing it all the way to 6100 then it will upshift.

In the log we do not see misfires or tq errors just like the log you had while tuned.

 
FoMoCoSHO said:
Congrats to Oregon! I see your glorious politicians deemed you qualified to pump your own gas.

Oregonians now freaking out, lmao!

Oh contraire mon frere.. :( it is for counties with very small populations only.  So I can't run an e30 tune yet. 
 
What is their reasoning for that? City folks not smart enough?

You've got meth. You should just run full E85.

Im minus meth and enjoying my E85. 
 
FoMoCoSHO said:
What is their reasoning for that? City folks not smart enough?

You've got meth. You should just run full E85.

Im minus meth and enjoying my E85.

my 2010 would need the new Livernois pump, and probably new injectors.  I would love that :) ... buuuut it is a bit out of the budget,  'specialy since about to drop 2000-3000$ to get the damn turbos swapped out of pocket since we are not getting codes.

As to the pump your own,  It is the general idiocy that if there is a full service side it will ''cost more''.  Apparently paying 1$ more per fill is is just to much to pay...


 
TopherSho said:
FoMoCoSHO said:
What is their reasoning for that? City folks not smart enough?

You've got meth. You should just run full E85.

Im minus meth and enjoying my E85.

my 2010 would need the new Livernois pump, and probably new injectors.  I would love that :) ... buuuut it is a bit out of the budget,  'specialy since about to drop 2000-3000$ to get the damn turbos swapped out of pocket since we are not getting codes.

As to the pump your own,  It is the general idiocy that if there is a full service side it will ''cost more''.  Apparently paying 1$ more per fill is is just to much to pay...
I'm not running any of that...Fuel system hardware is unchanged through the years with the exception of the in tank pump change in 2013. Injector o-rings were upgraded in 2014.

If you wanna run pig rich you've got meth to fatten it up.

 
avidmotion said:
Starting issues, weird stuff driver seat going back, all crazy stuff mine did when the battery started going bad.....

hmpf i just replaced it this year.  it had better not go tits up .. i'd be vastly annoyed
 
SHOdded said:
Any possibility it is the knock sensors/wiring?  Since knock data is master & commander.

so far we have not seen any knock spikes. it is super consistent:
-if you have NOT got on it recently .. it will generate boost correctly for a short time .. then it will start bucking, popping, after 4500+ rpm
-if you get on it right away after it has been bucking and dropping spark it does it instantly
-we see over boosting in the logs

i think there is a hole in one or both baffles.  and once air gets on the other side it cant open the wastegate enough and it starts dropping spark to keep from blowing up.

 
TopherSho said:
avidmotion said:
Starting issues, weird stuff driver seat going back, all crazy stuff mine did when the battery started going bad.....

hmpf i just replaced it this year.  it had better not go tits up .. i'd be vastly annoyed
Did you put a bigger battery in? Both of my SHOs went through batteries like it was their job. The Lincoln got an MC 850(It died too, lol.) and so far so good.

Are you logging system voltage during logging?

Noise and bucking also sounds like TC/ESP intervention (ABS is noisy)

I'm thinking a bad wheel speed sensor could cause false intervention?

That should show in Torque Source though....

Do you have Spark and Fuel source PIDS? The Lincoln does not but that might help if your strategy does.



 
Boost Control
The boost control system determines a desired boost. Active control occurs when the desired boost is
above base boost  where  base  boost  is  defined  as  that  boost  that  results  when  the  wastegate  vent  solenoid  is  not
venting (circuit off).

The following conditions may result in underboost.

    One or more wastegates stuck open

    Large conduit leak between compressor and throttle

The following conditions may result in overboost.

    One or more wastegates stuck closed

    One  or  more  control  hoses  leaking/disconnected  between  wastegate  diaphragm  and  wastegate  vent
solenoid.

    Wastegate vent solenoid stuck in vent position

    Control hoses to wastegate vent solenoid swapped.

    Hose between boost volume and wastegate vent solenoid disconnected.

    Not-yet-detected Turbocharger Boost sensor in-range failure.
 
FoMoCoSHO said:
The following conditions may result in overboost.

    One or more wastegates stuck closed <---likely not opening fully.  not sure if there are pids for actual and requested.

    One  or  more  control  hoses  leaking/disconnected  between  wastegate  diaphragm  and  wastegate  vent
solenoid. <--- possible leak.. but i feel it a leak would have issues lower down as well as at WoT..?? am i wrong?

    Wastegate vent solenoid stuck in vent position <---possible.

    Control hoses to wastegate vent solenoid swapped.  <--- doubt this one.  no mods were made prior to failure.

    Hose between boost volume and wastegate vent solenoid disconnected.  <---will have ford look at the hoses.

    Not-yet-detected Turbocharger Boost sensor in-range failure.  <---possible but i think it is the diaphragm as Brad mentioned.

it is not starting again so its going back to the shop.  while it is in i will have them replace all the hoses that come off the turbos and wastegates.  after that im hosed.
 
TopherSho said:
FoMoCoSHO said:
The following conditions may result in overboost.

    One or more wastegates stuck closed <---likely not opening fully.  not sure if there are pids for actual and requested.

    One  or  more  control  hoses  leaking/disconnected  between  wastegate  diaphragm  and  wastegate  vent
solenoid. <--- possible leak.. but i feel it a leak would have issues lower down as well as at WoT..?? am i wrong?

    Wastegate vent solenoid stuck in vent position <---possible.

    Control hoses to wastegate vent solenoid swapped.  <--- doubt this one.  no mods were made prior to failure.

    Hose between boost volume and wastegate vent solenoid disconnected.  <---will have ford look at the hoses.

    Not-yet-detected Turbocharger Boost sensor in-range failure.  <---possible but i think it is the diaphragm as Brad mentioned.

it is not starting again so its going back to the shop.  while it is in i will have them replace all the hoses that come off the turbos and wastegates.  after that im hosed.
I have a bypass on/off PID...dunno if that's any help

Did anyone get on the phone with the Hotline?
 
TopherSho said:
FoMoCoSHO said:
The following conditions may result in overboost.

    One or more wastegates stuck closed <---likely not opening fully.  not sure if there are pids for actual and requested.

    One  or  more  control  hoses  leaking/disconnected  between  wastegate  diaphragm  and  wastegate  vent
solenoid. <--- possible leak.. but i feel it a leak would have issues lower down as well as at WoT..?? am i wrong?

    Wastegate vent solenoid stuck in vent position <---possible.

    Control hoses to wastegate vent solenoid swapped.  <--- doubt this one.  no mods were made prior to failure.

    Hose between boost volume and wastegate vent solenoid disconnected.  <---will have ford look at the hoses.

    Not-yet-detected Turbocharger Boost sensor in-range failure.  <---possible but i think it is the diaphragm as Brad mentioned.

it is not starting again so its going back to the shop.  while it is in i will have them replace all the hoses that come off the turbos and wastegates.  after that im hosed.
No crank condition?
 
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