EB Flex vs Mazdaspeed3 (cai,tip,and exh)

[elund126]

I would need numbers to prove to that a Mazdaspeed 3, that is down 100+ hp and front wheel drive, would actually be faster around a true road course. According to Car and Driver the Taurus SHO pulled .86g, the Mazdaspeed 3 pulled .87, when ran through the 300 ft. diameter skidpad. Unless you are running on an autocross track in a mall parking lot, the Taurus SHO is going to be faster around a track.

I've actually ran both the Mazdaspeed 3 and the SHO at Pacific Raceways in Kent, WA. This course has a lot of twists and turns and alot of elevation change. I smoked my SHO brakes in 1 lap. I think the SHO would catch up on straights, but would always lose ground on the twisties!

 

[elund126]

I am throwing in my towel on this debate.

Since I have actually owned both cars, I can make the following statement:

I wouldn't have traded the Mazda for the SHO if I didn't need more room for my kids. I love both cars equally and, I am a blue blooded Ford guy through and through. The Speed 3 is no joke.

Hope nobody got their panties in a twist.

 

[Josephm]

Witch one of you 2 coming from the ms3 had the built one?

 

[bpd1151]

Mazda definitely be better in the twisties then comparo the behemoth of a Flex, or a SHO, but then again....

People like 4DR, Darreli, and FirstSHO are running the new Megan Racing Coilovers, along with other various suspension tweeks.

Either way, agreed, both cars are fun as hell, as has been discussed.

Each with their own attributes. But with 3 kids in tow, the SHO's the name of the game for me. I'm just glad it can hang (and in some cases likely beat) other offerings out there.

All in good fun. :beer:

"Sent while on the road, burn'n meth, screeching tires, winding out the gears, & push'n the twins"

 

[Josephm]

I agree, Once your under 13' seconds in the quarter, it does not matter really who is faster.... unless of course your brothers, and then everything is a competition...

 

[Lanson]

This one was mine, one of the first ones

It wasn't a racer, because it had a competition system in it

But before I put that together though, I did race it on the track a few times and found that wheel hop was a severe issue.  Enough in fact to break the trans and motor mounts and cause the engine to fall through.  That was fun.

 

[bpd1151]

Sharp Lanson....

Unfortunate that it ended the way it did.

R.I.P.

"Sent while on the road, burn'n meth, screeching tires, winding out the gears, & push'n the twins"

 

[Josephm]

Nice my bro put like 2 layers of dynomat on the whole car,the first week he brought it home from the dealer. He has a 15 and sounds so good. There is zero rattles.. I remember thinking he was crazy, tearing a brand new car completely apart

 

[Josephm]

I did sterio competitions, SPL to be exact. I used to have a Tahoe with a single 18. I hit 149 db. What competition did you do? SQL?

 

[jomc111]

Quote from: Josephm on October 12, 2013, 04:55:33 PMcoughIHAVEAFLEXcoughAll the data your provided is useless... The mazdaspeed has a limit to there first gear, it only does about 75 percent, and does not get a 100% power until 3rd. We were  at 30mph and he beat from his 3rd gear, and 2nd gear pull..

This ^ is exactly why those numbers dont mean much once in third there is a huge difference. I still have my speed 3 in stock form right now and my sho. I know the speed 3 pulls on the sho from a 50 roll. with the sho given the hit. If I get a chance I will try and get video of it

 

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

How does the MS3 pull on the SHO from 50 mph when I stated this in my previous post:
"More importantly if we were to look at the numbers that center around the OP's roll race and subtract 0-60mph time from the 0-120mph which would equal the time it takes for each vehicle to go from 60-120mph, the SHO wins again by only taking 15.2 seconds to the MS3's 16.1 seconds. We are talking bus lengths difference here."
You guys need to stop going by what you think is happening and actually let the facts/figures/empirical data support the case for the SHO being faster in this scenario.

 

[jomc111]

Witch one of you 2 coming from the ms3 had the built one?

Me

 

[jomc111]

How does the MS3 pull on the SHO from 50 mph when I stated this in my previous post:
"More importantly if we were to look at the numbers that center around the OP's roll race and subtract 0-60mph time from the 0-120mph which would equal the time it takes for each vehicle to go from 60-120mph, the SHO wins again by only taking 15.2 seconds to the MS3's 16.1 seconds. We are talking bus lengths difference here."
You guys need to stop going by what you think is happening and actually let the facts/figures/empirical data support the case for the SHO being faster in this scenario.

I own both cars currently and have raced them. I wouldn't say I am thinking something is happening rather I am seening it happan. Both cars were stock when I raced them

The speeds 3 limits 1st and second gear so a 0-100mph run by car and driver means nothing For a roll race. Im not in anyway saying the mazda is a better car ect. Just as someone else had stated they are fast from a roll

 

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

How does the MS3 pull on the SHO from 50 mph when I stated this in my previous post:
"More importantly if we were to look at the numbers that center around the OP's roll race and subtract 0-60mph time from the 0-120mph which would equal the time it takes for each vehicle to go from 60-120mph, the SHO wins again by only taking 15.2 seconds to the MS3's 16.1 seconds. We are talking bus lengths difference here."
You guys need to stop going by what you think is happening and actually let the facts/figures/empirical data support the case for the SHO being faster in this scenario.

I own both cars currently and have raced them. I wouldn't say I am thinking something is happening rather I am seening it happan. Both cars were stock when I raced them

The speeds 3 limits 1st and second gear so a 0-100mph run by car and driver means nothing For a roll race. Im not in anyway saying the mazda is a better car ect. Just as someone else had stated they are fast from a roll

So you raced stock versus stock, 60-120mph and the MS3 wins?

 

[steve142857]

How does the MS3 pull on the SHO from 50 mph when I stated this in my previous post:
"More importantly if we were to look at the numbers that center around the OP's roll race and subtract 0-60mph time from the 0-120mph which would equal the time it takes for each vehicle to go from 60-120mph, the SHO wins again by only taking 15.2 seconds to the MS3's 16.1 seconds. We are talking bus lengths difference here."
You guys need to stop going by what you think is happening and actually let the facts/figures/empirical data support the case for the SHO being faster in this scenario.

I agree that this method should be the one to close the debate as long as both times were calculated under same circumstances.
I don't know the numbers however...
In real life, I can't explain why the MS3 would pull over the SHO.
But I can tell you that when I was completely stock except for H&R springs, I was running 13.6-13.9 quarter mile with DA between -1000 and +1000.
MS3 at the same track are running between 13.9 and 14.5... I have seen worst, but due to poor launching... There 60ft. when launched properly on street tires are about 2.2 seconds. The stock SHO about 2 seconds flat.
So, the difference of 0.2 seconds when launching would equal to a difference of about 0.4 seconds (double) at the finish line.
So given that the SHO is about 0.4 seconds faster at the finish line, we could imagine both car to be a good match on a roll.
Finally, the stock SHO is about 2mph faster when looking at the trap speed... So, my guess is that the MS3 is probably quicker from 60mph until 80mph, but looses its speed towards the end (a bit like the Ralliart/EVO, WRX/STI)... In the case of the MS3, maybe because it's a 4 cylinder, not the best aerodynamic?

 

[thatsmrgimp2u]

When did the car having to be stock become a factor? At one point someone said mod for mod. Look up intake swaps for the speed, +25 horsepower... Downpipe, +40lb ft of torque. My argument is that they can be faster, both cars modified equally.

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD

 

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

When did the car having to be stock become a factor? At one point someone said mod for mod. Look up intake swaps for the speed, +25 horsepower... Downpipe, +40lb ft of torque. My argument is that they can be faster, both cars modified equally.

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD

No need to muddy the waters with a diferent scenario when the first one can not be resolved even with the facts laid out.

 

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

Thanks Steve for being the first one to look at the recorded data and then validating with real world experiences.

 

[thatsmrgimp2u]

I thought that is what we had been talking about the whole time... I personally never brought up the cars capabilities in stock form. The only stock comment I see is you saying stock for stock the sho is faster. And i agreed, from a dig.

Curveball. STOCK, the speed3 can hit 150 mph. SHOs can not.

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[jomc111]

How does the MS3 pull on the SHO from 50 mph when I stated this in my previous post:
"More importantly if we were to look at the numbers that center around the OP's roll race and subtract 0-60mph time from the 0-120mph which would equal the time it takes for each vehicle to go from 60-120mph, the SHO wins again by only taking 15.2 seconds to the MS3's 16.1 seconds. We are talking bus lengths difference here."
You guys need to stop going by what you think is happening and actually let the facts/figures/empirical data support the case for the SHO being faster in this scenario.

I own both cars currently and have raced them. I wouldn't say I am thinking something is happening rather I am seening it happan. Both cars were stock when I raced them

The speeds 3 limits 1st and second gear so a 0-100mph run by car and driver means nothing For a roll race. Im not in anyway saying the mazda is a better car ect. Just as someone else had stated they are fast from a roll

So you raced stock versus stock, 60-120mph and the MS3 wins?

Yes it wins,  only raced to 100 tho.