Hesitation in boost and high rpm

https://www.injectorrx.com/direct-injection-fuel-injector-cleaning/

Might be worth looking into, and my mistake... they are in the Great State of Texas...
 
SHOdded said:
You would have to get Ford or Ford-level equipment to test the injectors directly, very expensive on your own.  An indirect way is the balance test, and ignition waveform.  Basically, we want to prove that the problem exists in the engine and not outside or vice versa.  If the balance test fails at high rpm, then you can look at the graphs to identify the miscreant cylinder(s).

A sticking injector might be an issue, given that flooring from a dig outputs a fuel smell.  How intense was it?  WOT IS going to run richer, so a mild smell would be expected because you cannot make that smooth transition at the drop of a dime.  There's always a small window of inefficiency.  So how bad the smell is will tell you whether that is indeed an issue to be researched.

Now, looking back, you have a new engine in there right?  Long block new injectors new everything except manifolds?

It is a new long block, I am not sure if injectors would be included.
 
Livernois Motorsports said:
We have offered to have the customer bring the vehicle to us for a diagnostic test. At this point we are still believing this to be a mechanical issue but cannot confirm until we can go hands on with the vehicle. As it has been stated above, this is a rare instance, we have many of these vehicles out there without this issue with the same tunes. Both us and the customer are quite baffled by the instance but we are working diligently to not only pinpoint the issue but solve it as well.

LMS has said that they would solve it. I will drive my rear over there again if that is what has to happen.
 
Livernois Motorsports said:
    Alright....

A different tune was written by a different tuner that tuned around the issue.

Although I agree with LMS that the issue lies with the vehicle i wanted to be a bit more specific on how i improved the fuel pressure because the way its sounds it comes accross as a type of "hack" or a manipulative method to force a result.

I returned 2 throttle pedal  scalars to STOCK values...the stock calibration uses throttle control super aggressive to control load spikes...its not what I do normally thats why, along with LMS, I say its a hardwared problem ...that method is usually not needed

Control boost spikes, control fuel pressure...but usually using throttle control for the purpose of boost control makes less power and gives less feel

So basically im in agreement with LMS i just dont know if id call stock values "tuning around " the issue

The fuel system in this car does not handle boost spikes as well as other SHO's
 
My point is I could care less about 10 horses if LMS can play with the above mentioned settings, and my car keep good fuel pressure. just want to be done with this whole thing lol. If the car has had the same hesitation for 30k miles , it won't change in the next 30k.
 
IIRC a faulty injector cannot be diagnosed with software and they usually install a boroscope by putting it inside the engine and cranking the car over.
The faulty injectors tend to leak even when not firing FYI. Z
I guess pin pointing this issue is like finding a needle in a hay stack.
 
I'm disappointed LMS didn't do any fuel system tests, they couldn't get the hesitation to occur, but on a 3rd gear pull, I also can't get the hesitation to occur, it is always on a WOT downshift. Also LMS should have been focusing on fuel pressure which is always off spec and not an intermittent hesitation. I got the short straw because Andy was on vacation.

Sorry for the rant. I thought the LMS visit would be more fruitful. We probably will never get to the bottom of my issue, probably not worth anymore time. I emailed LMS asking them to modify my tune to match AJPs method.
 
I'm just going to drive it for now and monitor. As log as LMS can adjust the tune "pedal scalers", I will just wait until something fails to where is actually fails not this it 92.67% good but that 7 & 1/3% is making you hate the car and the tuner lol.
 
StealBlueSho said:
Maybe time for a trade in?
I am forcing myself to hold off for money "saving" reasons and keep the car for two more years. If everything is good, I'll get something more engineered to handle power, Hellcat, ctsv, gtr, z06 come to mind.
 
ZSHO said:
FWIW I'm hoping the personal invite is still in effect from LMS even if its for a long term period.  Z
I'm sure they would come through, making them guess is also no fair in a sense, it would be much more efficient if another problem arose or something gets worse. I could also wait for a pump but $1500 is alot to solve an issue that should work on the stock pump and no power gain since I do no plan on upgrading turbos etc.
 
polskifacet said:
ZSHO said:
FWIW I'm hoping the personal invite is still in effect from LMS even if its for a long term period.  Z
I'm sure they would come through, making them guess is also no fair in a sense, it would be much more efficient if another problem arose or something gets worse. I could also wait for a pump but $1500 is alot to solve an issue that should work on the stock pump and no power gain since I do no plan on upgrading turbos etc.


There should be power gain with the new pump... more fuel more air means more power... not to mention running without using the throttle to control boost spikes increases power under the curve... this is proven many times over on dynos...

Whether LMS will develop a tune that way is up in the air...

I for one am planning on purchasing that pump day 1.. which should come with an updated tune since LMS says the pump will not work on a stock tune...

Curious how far they can push this new pump on their tunes.. they tend to run conservative so it will be interesting...

Not sure if this pump will solve your issues... being as your current pump is fairly "new"....

Did you have this same problem before the motor replacement?
 
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