*HOW-TO* 2013+ Brakes on a 2010-2012...THEY WORK!!

[ajpturbo]

Ive laid into my pp brakes so many times during data logging at deep into triple digit speeds....i aint skeered of the stock brakes

 

[ZSHO]

Brake fluid system flush anyone,might help especially living in warmer humid climates.  Z

 

[SHO-Pa]

So as I understand this, the setup works but you lose the dust shields? Is that correct?

Does anyone know if that's a PA state inspection item? It would be bad to do the upgrade only to be flagged for that inconsequential part.

 

[tgambob]

By my previous failed vehicles yes it is. That's what is holding me up on doing this. But idk if there is an exception maybe since the pps don't have them from the factory.

 

[ajpturbo]

I think the PP has dust shields....and i dont think you can fail for not having them....how would the tech know if it had them or not anyway from the factory...i highly doubt its a requirement...in fact i would laugh in the guys face and say i guess you dont get my money lol

 

[tgambob]

I think pa just dosent want me driving a straighpiped 393 bronco sitting on 37s around lol. When I try looking through my numbers for pp vs non pp I come up with 2c208 and 2k004 both of which have a non pp/ interceptor call out and then a -1 version of both for sho pakage 1 (pp) which for all my Google fu gets me are severely cut down versions. For 7 dollars a piece I may order both and compare. The other big change is the knuckles and wheel bearings are different between the sho/interceptor and pp. They may have changed the bolt pattern on the bearing which may change the baking plate. I was really kind of surprised knuckles and bearings are different yet axles are the same

 

[ajpturbo]

I think the knuckles and bearings are only different between the 4.1 and 4.2 gen cars....bolt patteren for hubs are all the same

 

[tgambob]

I'm looking a 13 non pp and 13 pp vin numbers for the part lookups. It's showing a difference idk. I meant for the bearing bolts to the knuckles for the bolt pattern. Bigger bearing usually means bigger bolt pattern or why the change in the knuckle itself?

 

[Primalzer]

New member, sorry bumping an old thread, but I was using this as a guide for a swap on my 2011 EB Flex...

Here are the parts the OP spec'd

Parts (All motorcraft except rotors and pads)
Calipers: BRCF208/BRCF209
Caliper Brackets: BRBC28/BRBC29
Rotors: Raybestos 680982
Pads: Raybestos EHT1611H
Hoses:  BRHF129/BRHF64

Here are the parts I spec'd off of Rockauto mostly

Caliper
Motorcraft FR BRCF292
Motorcraft FL BRCF293

Rotor
MOTORCRAFT BRRF112 or MOTORCRAFT BRR252 or RAYBESTOS 680982

Pads
RAYBESTOS PGD1611C or MOTORCRAFT BR1611

Caliper Bracket
R&L DG1Z2B292A

Dust Shield
FL DG1Z2K005A
FR DG1Z2K004A

Possible stainless brake line
Goodridge 12348 Brake Line

Now my questions lie in the calipers and brackets...I've been told the Police Interceptor Utility with HD brakes and the Flex with HD brakes are the same as SHO HD brakes...is that a wrong assumption? Also, the brackets I found off the Ford parts website don't spec a different caliper bracket between right and left...just the one...

Any help would be appreciated

 

[timbo]

The caliper brackets are identical between left and right sides.  The calipers are only different because of the location of the bleeder, otherwise, the castings are identical.

The calipers themselves may have a different part # for the PP due to the vented pistons that are installed.

Hope that helps.

 

[Primalzer]

The caliper brackets are identical between left and right sides.  The calipers are only different because of the location of the bleeder, otherwise, the castings are identical.

The calipers themselves may have a different part # for the PP due to the vented pistons that are installed.

Hope that helps.

When working with Ford's that is generally what I've come across. This platform is new to me though, I've generally stuck to Panther's and trucks, so this is my first foray into the D3/4 platform. So when cross referencing everything, it got a bit hazy and convoluted.  Getting different information and part numbers from different sources. I think, reading through and searching through the Ford parts catalog, I've been able to lock down the part #'s I'll need. The organizer/researched/OCD person I am, I have all my parts listed in a spreadsheet with prices from multiple sources :roflpicard:

 

[Ryan02Stang]

I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

 

[sholxgt]

I would be really surprised if there were a clearance issue given that the rotor size on all '13+ are the same and they still come with 19" wheels.

 

[SHOdded]

Do the PP calipers also clear the 19" or just need a little grinding down, or not fit at all?

 

[sholxgt]

Do the PP calipers also clear the 19" or just need a little grinding down, or not fit at all?

The '13+ PP calipers are the exact same body as the non-PP.  Differences are only internal...different seals and vented pistons.  The actual caliper body is identical and bolts to the exact same brackets.

I even returned my factory calipers for a large core credit in the PP boxes as they are identical in appearance save for the red seals.

Cost was around $40 per caliper doing it that way.  Small price for brand new upgraded calipers.

 

[Primalzer]

I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Fancy meeting you here, haha

 

[Primalzer]

I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Fancy meeting you here, haha

Not that I would, but could you, theoretically, throw the non-PP calipers on the PP brackets, and run the larger rotor set?

 

[derfdog15]

I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Not 100% guaranteed, but you should be able to fit an 18" wheel with correct backspace, the 19" OE wheels should work.

It may even be possible to clear certain 17" wheels if so desired with the PP brakes.

 

[sholxgt]

I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Fancy meeting you here, haha

Not that I would, but could you, theoretically, throw the non-PP calipers on the PP brackets, and run the larger rotor set?

I want to make sure to say that my information is based on the SHO/MKS.  I'm not sure if it directly relates to other vehicles.

If you have a '10-'12 SHO/MKS, you need the brackets from a '13+ to upgrade to the larger rotors.  The '13+ has the same brackets regardless of PP or non-PP as the caliper bodies and rotor size are identical.

 

[Primalzer]

I'm looking to do this on my 2012 MKS, but does anyone know if the Lincoln 19 inch wheels will clear the bigger brakes?  I don't want to have to upgrade to 20 inch wheels...

Fancy meeting you here, haha

Not that I would, but could you, theoretically, throw the non-PP calipers on the PP brackets, and run the larger rotor set?

I want to make sure to say that my information is based on the SHO/MKS.  I'm not sure if it directly relates to other vehicles.

If you have a '10-'12 SHO/MKS, you need the brackets from a '13+ to upgrade to the larger rotors.  The '13+ has the same brackets regardless of PP or non-PP as the caliper bodies and rotor size are identical.

That much I know. I have a 2011 Flex, so I'll be upgrading brackets. Just for the future, if someone stumbled upon this thread, whether the stock (pre-'13) calipers or just the '13+ non-PP calipers would work with new brackets and rotors.