Livernois Tune Madness on "Winter Blend"
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Guys the thing to keep in mind is that, like BAM said, there are several additives present in winter fuels that have different thermal properties from your normal fueling. These thermal characteristics will attribute to the quirks in your tuning. Driving especially aggressively WILL only exacerbate these issues. There is no logging required, only some restraint.
The facts are that the base fuel present in the car is already inferior VS "regular" fuel that is available the other 8 months of the year, and then you are demanding the same performance from it...impossible. Adding insult to injury, E85 was added which is now 40% less volume. Inferior fuel+lower volume fuel+demanding more fuel+driving aggressively+a platform that is still starved for fuel=less than desirable driving characteristics.
I get that making a thread like this is great for a business looking more daily unique eyeballs, but it is slightly disingenuous to blame the tune. The right foot and fueling equation is what is causing the "issues". From day one we have advised AGAINST using E85 on a non-flex fuel platform. Even clients, like SHOnUup, that have displayed several successful results still hear from us that we would really prefer he didn't use E85.
The facts are that the base fuel present in the car is already inferior VS "regular" fuel that is available the other 8 months of the year, and then you are demanding the same performance from it...impossible. Adding insult to injury, E85 was added which is now 40% less volume. Inferior fuel+lower volume fuel+demanding more fuel+driving aggressively+a platform that is still starved for fuel=less than desirable driving characteristics.
I get that making a thread like this is great for a business looking more daily unique eyeballs, but it is slightly disingenuous to blame the tune. The right foot and fueling equation is what is causing the "issues". From day one we have advised AGAINST using E85 on a non-flex fuel platform. Even clients, like SHOnUup, that have displayed several successful results still hear from us that we would really prefer he didn't use E85.
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bamsho said:
Wow.....Black Jack you should not be blowing any smoke or experience any hesitation...That seems to be symptoms of a car that is running like crap.
If you have to use restraint with the pedal because of winter fuel I would want my money back for a tune that costs top dollar...Not hating just saying.
I have yet to see high levels of knock with winter fuel here in Pa
Biggest problem so far, and it's not really that big of a problem is slightly less fuel pressure when temps are below 15 degrees F. due to air density and needing more fuel to ahieve desired lambda. At 18 psi in 10 degrees fuel pressure is below 1000 psi below 4k rpms and car maintained AFR just fine, no knocking no hesitation no popping....I have yet to have or see a problem with logs due to winter fuel
If you have to use restraint with the pedal because of winter fuel I would want my money back for a tune that costs top dollar...Not hating just saying.
I have yet to see high levels of knock with winter fuel here in Pa
Biggest problem so far, and it's not really that big of a problem is slightly less fuel pressure when temps are below 15 degrees F. due to air density and needing more fuel to ahieve desired lambda. At 18 psi in 10 degrees fuel pressure is below 1000 psi below 4k rpms and car maintained AFR just fine, no knocking no hesitation no popping....I have yet to have or see a problem with logs due to winter fuel
ZSHO said:
The black smoke only happened a couple times when I had a bad hesitation during the kickdown, then throttle kicked in and blew the black smoke out the exhaust. Hard kickdown at higher speeds isn't something I do all the time, but when I do I noticed this issue. Any other driving condition it runs fine.
No oil leaks in the driveway, or at last oil change I did at 15,000 miles, which I checked the entire underside on my lift.
It should never smoke like that
Sorry to say but that is BS when livernois says you need to have some restraint in the winter and not drive so aggressively...that may sound like im picking on lms....and even though i like to pick on them the fact that they say that is garbage for what their tune and device cost...i would expect better....and better can be had as far as cold weather driving
Sorry to say but that is BS when livernois says you need to have some restraint in the winter and not drive so aggressively...that may sound like im picking on lms....and even though i like to pick on them the fact that they say that is garbage for what their tune and device cost...i would expect better....and better can be had as far as cold weather driving
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SHOnUup said:
But going to a lower octane tune would lose some power, so it kind of defeats the purpose?
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BlackJac said:
Same issue with ours. I had them resend me V3 tune. That was after I changed plugs and put a can of Torco in it to no avail.
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AJ,
Can we keep it clean please? We did not insult your tuning genius. Please do not insult our capabilities. You put a bounty out on our tune, no? That would make it seem that the premium is worth it...if not, why the interest?
Can we keep it clean please? We did not insult your tuning genius. Please do not insult our capabilities. You put a bounty out on our tune, no? That would make it seem that the premium is worth it...if not, why the interest?
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