MIL Flashing, P0087, P0301, rough idle, hesitation, fuel smell.

[Deebeaux]

Trying to build a new Torque Pro screen, but I can't find data for the front O2s. There's AFR commanded/measured, there's Lambda commanded, and I've got voltaged for O2 B1S2 and B2S2, but nothing for S1 in either bank. I've loaded the CSV that was in the "Torque PIDs...Take 2" post, but still don't see values for the wideband sensors. Am I missing something?

I'll be out in the car trying to find this data until someone replies or I get hungry.

Thanks again!

Monitor the O2 voltages and the lambda values after starting the car next time.  The front O2s are wideband, the rear O2s are narrowband, so they have different ranges.  If the widebands drop out completely, you know you have a problem there (sensor or wiring).  Prefer the rear narrowband O2s to be in the 0.45-0.6 range, then you know the cats are likely A-OK.

 

[SHOdded]

I think they have pids for wideband separately, will have to check.  Do you have O2 Sensor1 WideRange Voltage?  Might be B1S1.  Sensor2 might be B2S1.  Not sure ...

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Look for equivalence ratio in the standard obd pids.

IIRC it is there for both banks.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Yeah, there is 02 EQ ratio for both banks and widerange voltage as well.

 

[Deebeaux]

Even after doing resets in Torque Pro and Forscan Lite, my LTFT1 is still at 10.9% even before starting the car. It appears the only way to clear this is to clear adaptations using the desktop version of Forscan.

Is it necessary I reset this back to zero before data logging? I did some brief searching and it seems 50/50 whether or not resetting the adaptations is a good idea or not.

 

[Deebeaux]

In Torque Pro "O2 Sensor1 Equivalence Ratio" doesn't produce anything, but "O2 Sensor1 Equivalence Ratio(alternate)" does.

Does anyone know a PID for the lambda on O2 Sensor2 as the default one provides "no data" for me? I've been doing some Googling/Forum Searching with no luck, but I will continue to dig. I presume since sensor 1 has an alternate PID, perhaps sensor 2 does as well?

FoMoCoSHO, I see you had a dual lambda gauge setup in OBDLINK that looks pretty slick, but I don't have one of their adapters.

Yeah, there is 02 EQ ratio for both banks and widerange voltage as well.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I'm getting ready to head out for some logging with the new down pipes so I will take a peek and try to remember what pids I used.

 

[ajpturbo]

I would reset everything so you can see how all your repairs are doing to this point

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Dumb question, is your car out of warranty?

 

[Deebeaux]

I'm charging my other laptop right now because the smaller one I use for car stuff, apparently, doesn't have Bluetooth! >

I'm hoping I can do the reset adaptations with the Forscan software in Windows.

I would reset everything so you can see how all your repairs are doing to this point

 

[Deebeaux]

It's a 2014 with just shy of 33k, but it's out of warranty because it's a salvage/reconstruct/branded title. (At least that's what two dealer's have told me.) It had fresh water ingress that didn't do anything other than get the carpet wet. No water got into in the engine or other fluids, but all have been changed anyway. I have some suspicions it was even a flood car and someone may have just hosed it out to get out from under the note. It's an insurance auction car I got a steal on. I've had 7,000 miles of flawless service, right up until this injector fiasco.

The closest dealer I trust is 1.5 hours one way drive. The local dealer to me is absolutely terrible.

Dumb question, is your car out of warranty?

 

[SHOdded]

Try the KAM reset as shown in this video instead of resetting adaptations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZAsoqmqhdM

 

[Deebeaux]

I already did the adaptation reset and it cleared things out. I'll try the KAM reset as well. Then I'll go through the idle learning and electronic throttle body learning (nearly the same procedure) and then do a shift point learning drive.

Just waiting to find out how I can get that O2S2Eq PID working. I'll try to do some digging if we're slow at the office this morning. It seems a few are accessing it in OBDLINK, but I can't find a valid Torque PID for it. I've got O2S1Eq working using the "alternate" PID that's already in Torque.

Try the KAM reset as shown in this video instead of resetting adaptations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZAsoqmqhdM

 

[SHOdded]

What V range or lambda range are you seeing with the O2S1Eq (I assume that's the lambda value)?  I know the guys behind Torque Pro have been messing around with the PIDs, not sure they are accurate/valid any more.  Best thing might be to ask on their forum.

 

[Deebeaux]

Well, I didn't fire the car up as I was trying to get a good log/video of the initial startup after the reset of everything.

O2S1Eq is lambda, and shows 0.0 with the car off. The PID for O2S2Eq shows "no data" and it doesn't come up green like it's a valid PID. I think FoMoCoSHO has the PIDs working in OBDLINK and he may pass those on. I'll go check out the Torque forums and see what I can come up with.

What V range or lambda range are you seeing with the O2S1Eq (I assume that's the lambda value)?  I know the guys behind Torque Pro have been messing around with the PIDs, not sure they are accurate/valid any more.  Best thing might be to ask on their forum.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Well, I didn't fire the car up as I was trying to get a good log/video of the initial startup after the reset of everything.

O2S1Eq is lambda, and shows 0.0 with the car off. The PID for O2S2Eq shows "no data" and it doesn't come up green like it's a valid PID. I think FoMoCoSHO has the PIDs working in OBDLINK and he may pass those on. I'll go check out the Torque forums and see what I can come up with.

What V range or lambda range are you seeing with the O2S1Eq (I assume that's the lambda value)?  I know the guys behind Torque Pro have been messing around with the PIDs, not sure they are accurate/valid any more.  Best thing might be to ask on their forum.

The lambda pid is a standard obd2 pid and should work in Torque the same as obdlink, the problem on either program is there is no way to see the the formulas used for the built ins.

I will see if I can build it using standard obd2 formulas.

I do know that IAT2 was jacked up and when I fixed the formula, it works fine now.

 

[Deebeaux]

Sounds good. The Torque forums are a disaster! I've tried to do some digging but work has kept me pretty occupied today. Taking a little break now because I'm waiting for 500GB of data to copy.

The "alternate" PID listed in Torque under the standard PIDs is working for me for O2S1Eq, but none of the other O2 Sensors in Torque Equivalence/Lambda have "alternate" PIDs. I tried digging around in Forscan last night but got too tired to be able to decipher it.

The lambda pid is a standard obd2 pid and should work in Torque the same as obdlink, the problem on either program is there is no way to see the the formulas used for the built ins.

I will see if I can build it using standard obd2 formulas.

I do know that IAT2 was jacked up and when I fixed the formula, it works fine now.

 

[Gjkrisa]

Does forscan let you see all pids? Or is it like torque that it only sees what it knows I read a comment on forscan that be nice to add pid
Is forscan worth the money after buying torque pro?

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[FoMoCoSHO]

Sounds good. The Torque forums are a disaster! I've tried to do some digging but work has kept me pretty occupied today. Taking a little break now because I'm waiting for 500GB of data to copy.

The "alternate" PID listed in Torque under the standard PIDs is working for me for O2S1Eq, but none of the other O2 Sensors in Torque Equivalence/Lambda have "alternate" PIDs. I tried digging around in Forscan last night but got too tired to be able to decipher it.

The lambda pid is a standard obd2 pid and should work in Torque the same as obdlink, the problem on either program is there is no way to see the the formulas used for the built ins.

I will see if I can build it using standard obd2 formulas.

I do know that IAT2 was jacked up and when I fixed the formula, it works fine now.

Yeah, you need both banks to display and there are 2 different sets of O2 pids in the OBD standards list so I have  some work to do to figure it out. I'm gonna ask the guys over at scantool,net which formula they use because both banks work.

 

[Deebeaux]

Forscan Lite (I'm using it on Android right now) and on a Windows PC will give you a massive list of PIDs, but it doesn't give you the individual addresses that I could tell. You'd have to use some sort of serial sniffer to watch the data stream to nab the actual address. Just not something I've got time for on a work night typically.

Does forscan let you see all pids? Or is it like torque that it only sees what it knows I read a comment on forscan that be nice to add pid

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