Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine

[FearlessAZ]

Small Update:

They still haven't begun tear down of the motor yet. Been 2 weeks now. Said i might be torn apart by Wednesday/Thursday.

I contacted the service manager at the dealership here in town that did the work. He was able to tell me that the oil was leaking from the turbos. So they are even leaning that it has something to do with all the work they did. But until they actually find the point of failure, I am stuck here waiting. I did explain to him that the car is 1000+ miles away and that in the 2 weeks that they have had it, they have only been able to tell me it lost majority of the oil, it barely got on a lift and still waiting until sometime later this week before they can pull the motor and do the tear down. The service manager advised me to get with a service adviser at the dealership here and see if they can get me in to a loaner vehicle or to pay for a rental through Enterprise. And after explaining the amount of time this has already taken and circumstances, he told me to see if the service adviser here will get in contact with the Ford rep for that region to put some urgency to the situation or to try and help out.

He also mentioned that if it is directly related to this dealership's work, it would be covered under the consequential warranty of the service/parts. Does anyone have any info to what all entails in that warranty? I know it will cover the parts and labor but I have no idea if it would extend to the rental car and hotel I had to get because of the situation. Just trying to be realistic with it. He mentioned the service adviser would know more of the specifics of the warranty but I thought maybe someone here would know more about it.

 

[mjhpadi]

Im suspecting coils due to the age

This was my first thought. But mileage may have more to do with it than age. 

 

[SHOdded]

Not sure if the consequential warranty will cover rental/hotel as standard, but dealership mgmt should be able to make that accommodation I would think.  Customer service and all.

 

[FearlessAZ]

But the misfire didn't jump cylinders when I swapped the coil on plugs. It came back to the same cylinder.

Really not much miles on the car compared to the standard. I think about 82K.


I believe the same thing. Not sure what the whole scope of that warranty is. I guess I will find out later today.

 

[FearlessAZ]

Another update today.

They finished the teardown and couldn't find anything out of the ordinary. They are claiming that it leaked out from the intake. I call bullshit on that. 6 months with no issues, get an oil change and then run out 13 hours later. That doesn't say anything about my intake leaking to me. I would have noticed something if it was leaking that hard from the intake.

And to top it off, my extended warranty (3rd party) is denying the claim because it was due to lack of lubrication. Another bullshit in my opinion.

I called the service manager at the dealership where all my previous work was done. He even thinks that sounds like bullshit. He gave me the number for Ford Corporate to start a claim and get them involved.

As it sits right now, I am completely Effed all around. I can't pay for it all out of pocket. I plan to call the warranty company later but I know that will be a headache. After both of them, I will have to weigh my options.

*Edited by the Pottymouth Patrol

 

[SHOdded]

Yup, need to get a Ford Engineer onsite to cut through the BS.  Dealership is doing what it does best ...

 

[FearlessAZ]

They have had the car 5 weeks now. I know that oil is slow to dry but I would bet my ass that in 5 weeks, that problem is a hell of a lot harder to diagnose than at a week or so.

Even if this situation was covered 100%, I would not be happy with how the whole situation was handled. No rental/loaner during this time. The amount of time to come to that conclusion. The constant missed time frames.

Better start getting my blood pressure under control or I will need a new motor myself.

 

[SHOdded]

Go shoot some skeet or something.

 

[FearlessAZ]

I totally took that the wrong way. Lmao

 

[SHOdded]

LOL

 

[FearlessAZ]

To play devil's advocate here, lets say the oil did leak out of my intake. What would cause that? Is there a system that pushes some through there? Also, wouldn't there be signs before then? Possibly my misfire?

I'm just dumbfounded that something like that was the cause of all this.


Also if it helps, I pulled the codes when it died on us. P0430, P0012, P0022, P0050, and P0150. I know that is a cluster of problems but not sure if related in any way. I realized last night that they never mentioned anything about the codes. I emailed to inquire more. 

 

[FearlessAZ]

So I just got off the phone with the dealership. They are citing that it leaked from my VTA. He claimed that oil is supposed to recirculate through those tubes and mine weren't on. Basically they tore everything down and couldn't find anything so they are just assuming this is the cause.

I mentioned that a little bit of oil is OK but for the amounts we are talking about, something had to fail to allow that much oil to go through.

 

[SHOdded]

just tryin to blow oil up your a** now.  Do they understand how VTAs work???

 

[FearlessAZ]

I am not even sure if they know how a Ford works.


For shits and giggles, I asked what the quote would be for everything out of pocket....$12,374.43. **** that! Worth more than the KBB of my car.

 

[SHOdded]

Real turds at that place.  Time to launch the MOAB.

 

[FearlessAZ]

I have a buddy of mine who was a Ford tech in Vegas for 5 years (Dad is also service manager there so they both know their stuff) and he agrees that is doesn't sound right. They are citing it is the cold air charging pipe. If that is true, that is an air only pipe (with the very occasional bits of oil). So what caused the back up of oil to leak from there then? He is advising me to get the manager involved and go from there.

I would add the pictures from the emails that the dealership sent but I am at work and firewalls won't allow me to upload somewhere to host them. I can forward the emails if anybody wants to look or post sometime in the next day or so when I can get to a computer.

Also, SHOdded, not sure if you want to split this topic up. I feel like I derailed it form the original problem.

 

[SHOdded]

Estimate of work, and Pic set 1 of 2

 

[SHOdded]

Pic set 2 of 2

 

[FearlessAZ]

Thanks SHOdded!


Interesting enough, I was digging around some old old threads trying to find anything remotely similar. This one post from ShoBoat kind of intrigued me.

I have witnessed the same issue with my 13. Not as much oil consumption though. A dirty or restrictive air filter will cause the problem to get worse, also any restriction to the PCV system can also make it worse and lastly too much oil in the pan can also cause a similar situation (over fill). I took mine in when I had a similar issue and the dealer said it was normal (I had 45K KM on mine at the time). I am still not sure what is normal, all I know is that it can accumulate in the CAC, and if you get on it on the expressway it will suck all that out of the CAC and into the intake. Risking vapour lock or just a shudder (which will be logged by the car as several misfires). Again this happened to me in the past (the shudder). A turbo upgrade and meth are my next mods to my ride, the OEM turbos can be a PITA when it comes to this issue, the dealers and Ford are not willing to do anything about it unless its really bad. With the stock tune it is difficult to replicate these conditions as it doesn't suck/blow as hard as good 93 tune. I know that the F150's have had similar issues with both water and oil in the CAC causing a shudder at WOT in higher gears (easier to replicate different turbos/cac) I would keep an eye on the level in the CAC as mentioned by SHOdded. 

Entire thread can be read here https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4511.0.html

 

[SHOdded]

Still points to a dealer issue.  It takes time for for a dirty air filter to cause a bigger problem, unless of course you drove it in the Outback or something and clogged it up FAST.  Overfilling - dealer issue.  Underfilling - dealer issue.  And these guys are well known for leaving parts not properly connected after servicing.  It's like you have to audit their work before you accept your car back.