Reische 170° Performance Thermostat???

[4DRHTRD]

Then why has Reische  dropped you as a vendor ?

They even say when operating in colder temps to switch back to the 180 t-stat because according to them sustained operating temps below 165 are harmfull to the engine .

It seems to me that a 160 t-stat would exacerbate this.

Double click the below info sheet image they sent to me and read the first paragraph.

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a628/kbeck59/t-stat002_zps362d8114.png

I'm not  trying to bash Livernois , just trying to figure out the skinny on this.

Everybody has their view on whether a thermostat is good or bad for an engine as far as changing it colder. It's all really personal preference on what you think is best, many don't believe in changing the thermostat at all.
Read up on the interwebs, tons of technical documentation for you to review on it.

 

[Tomc612]

Then why has Reische  dropped you as a vendor ?

They even say when operating in colder temps to switch back to the 180 t-stat because according to them sustained operating temps below 165 are harmfull to the engine .

It seems to me that a 160 t-stat would exacerbate this.

Double click the below info sheet image they sent to me and read the first paragraph.

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a628/kbeck59/t-stat002_zps362d8114.png

I'm not  trying to bash Livernois , just trying to figure out the skinny on this.

Everybody has their view on whether a thermostat is good or bad for an engine as far as changing it colder. It's all really personal preference on what you think is best, many don't believe in changing the thermostat at all.
Read up on the interwebs, tons of technical documentation for you to review on it.

I just received  my updated files and I'm going to see how it works out .If it doesn't work for me in this cold weather I will put the stock one back in no biggie.I think I'll  benefit more with the 160 in the summer..

 

[BiGMaC]

I just received  my updated files and I'm going to see how it works out .If it doesn't work for me in this cold weather I will put the stock one back in no biggie.I think I'll  benefit more with the 160 in the summer..

I really cold weather you'll likely notice less heat output from your heater too since the water will be cooler when it goes to the radiator and to the heater coil.

 

[crash712us]

No issues with heat for me in sub zero weather, usually keep climate control at 78 degrees and if car for a while I have drop to 74 or it will roast me out.

 

[DJE624]

Then why has Reische  dropped you as a vendor ?
I'm not  trying to bash Livernois , just trying to figure out the skinny on this.

My take on the matter was that LMS had made the change.  Like I said before, I had heard this may be coming. 

That said, I have no plans to swap out my 170 Reische.  I'm comfortable on middle ground. 

 

[68_GT]

I had the Reische t-stat in my 98 Mustang with an 03 Cobra engine. When I put in the Reiche I immediately noticed a drop in the engine temp based on the OEM gauge. I'm not sure about engine wear but we all drive our cars before they're completely warmed up as does everyone else that drives a car period and I don't hear stories of worn out engine because of driving w/o a complete warm up ? Id assume better quality oil helps engine lubrication with a lower temp stat too. I only run Mobile 1 FS in my SHO. Lower coolant temps has to mean added performace. 160* sounds good to me especially down here in the south.

I guess there no need for tune adjustment in the fans if going from a 170-160 for max benefit ??

 

[jm@ReischePerf]

Hey guys Joel Miller from Reische here.  Let's make one thing absolutely clear, we still remain the only company that currently produces a low temp thermostat that is specifically designed for 3.5L EcoBoost transverse applications.  Tomc612: I'm very, very sorry but LMS pulled a fast one on you.  That thermostat is made for a hot-side application (not a true direct replacement at all), it will function but not as well as a proper cold-side thermostat.  I'm also going to disagree about the use of 160* thermostats for street use.  We chose 170* as the best overall compromise for all season use.  A 160* may cause problems in cooler weather depending on the tune programming, definitely wouldn't try it stock.

As far as special gaskets, only our Ford-50 unit (F150 EcoBoost) does not use the OEM o-ring but a (Stant 25282 or Gates 33619) comparable gasket which should be available at most auto parts suppliers.  Gaskets are included in our thermostat kits so I don't see why this would be an issue anyway.

I believe LMS has made these substitutions based primarily upon profit margin, our thermostats are modified by hand and not cheap.  I personally stand behind our products 100% and am willing to offer a lifetime warranty to the members of this forum who have purchased a genuine Reische product.  Thank you for your support and any of you are welcome to call us at 661-414-2116 with any questions or concerns.

 

[kbeck59]

Hey guys Joel Miller from Reische here.  Let's make one thing absolutely clear, we still remain the only company that currently produces a low temp thermostat that is specifically designed for 3.5L EcoBoost transverse applications.  Tomc612: I'm very, very sorry but LMS pulled a fast one on you.  That thermostat is made for a hot-side application, it will function but not as well as a proper cold-side thermostat.  I'm also going to disagree about the use of 160* thermostats for street use.  We chose 170* as the best overall compromise for all season use.  A 160* may cause problems in cooler weather depending on the tune programming, definitely wouldn't try it stock.

As far as special gaskets, only our Ford-50 unit (F150 EcoBoost) does not use the OEM o-ring but a (Stant 25282 or Gates 33619) comparable gasket which should be available at most auto parts suppliers.  Gaskets are included in our thermostat kits so I don't see why this would be an issue anyway.

I believe LMS has made these substitutions based primarily upon profit margin.  I personally stand behind our products 100% and am willing to offer a lifetime warranty to the members of this forum who have purchased a genuine Reische product.  Thank you for your support and any of you are welcome to call us at 661-414-2116 with any questions or concerns.

WOW ! !  Straight from the horses mouth , this may get interesting ....

I have used Reische in the past on a Roush Mustang that I had and that is why I bought from them again ...

 

[DJE624]

Thanks for your comments Jim.  I use a Reische 170 and like I said above, I feel very comfortable with it.  I did use the O-ring that came with it.  Not the stock gasket. 

 

[jm@ReischePerf]

Thanks for your comments Jim.  I use a Reische 170 and like I said above, I feel very comfortable with it.  I did use the O-ring that came with it.  Not the stock gasket.

Well in the case of the SHO they are the same thing.

 

[DJE624]

It looked like the O-ring I got was thinner than the stock gasket.  But the installation is fine.  Haven't seen a drop of coolant. 

 

[68_GT]

Hey guys Joel Miller from Reische here.  Let's make one thing absolutely clear, we still remain the only company that currently produces a low temp thermostat that is specifically designed for 3.5L EcoBoost transverse applications.  Tomc612: I'm very, very sorry but LMS pulled a fast one on you.  That thermostat is made for a hot-side application (not a true direct replacement at all), it will function but not as well as a proper cold-side thermostat.  I'm also going to disagree about the use of 160* thermostats for street use.  We chose 170* as the best overall compromise for all season use.  A 160* may cause problems in cooler weather depending on the tune programming, definitely wouldn't try it stock.

As far as special gaskets, only our Ford-50 unit (F150 EcoBoost) does not use the OEM o-ring but a (Stant 25282 or Gates 33619) comparable gasket which should be available at most auto parts suppliers.  Gaskets are included in our thermostat kits so I don't see why this would be an issue anyway.

I believe LMS has made these substitutions based primarily upon profit margin, our thermostats are modified by hand and not cheap.  I personally stand behind our products 100% and am willing to offer a lifetime warranty to the members of this forum who have purchased a genuine Reische product.  Thank you for your support and any of you are welcome to call us at 661-414-2116 with any questions or concerns.

I wish I could buy from you direct again like I did a few years ago on SVTPerformance.com I certainly beleived you get what you pay for when I put your t-stat in my 03 Cobra engine. Hot side / cold side t-stats ? How do we confrim we get the right one and who can we buy them from now ? I'm betting your 170* outperfroms the 160* available now anyway.

So what are the "issues" that the 160* could cause ? I live near Houston TX so it's nothing but hot down here most of the time.

 

[jm@ReischePerf]

How do we confrim we get the right one and who can we buy them from now ?

Well as long as you purchase from an authorized vendor like shop.ecoboostpowerparts.com/ you shouldn't have any problems.  But if anyone has concerns, please go to the www.ReischePerformance.com site and confirm that your thermostat is identical to the model pic.

So what are the "issues" that the 160* could cause ?

The most critical issue is with the ECM.  At best you may get an occasional check engine code for 'low coolant temp' at worst the computer will never leave warm up mode and this will kill your fuel economy.  More on 'negative effects' here: http://reischeperformance.com/WhyLowTemp.html

Obviously anyone who would sells a tune along with a 160* thermostat should have made adjustments to address this issue.

 

[4DRHTRD]

Guys I am placing an order today to become a stocking distributor today. I was using another company but I feel it's best that I keep these in stock from now on.
If you need a thermostat I will have a Reische t-stat for you.

 

[Tomc612]

Well,I have decided to hold off on the 160Tstat for now and do some more research,going stay with the 180 and continue to use the LMS 4+ and throw a Reische 170° Performance Thermostat in the summer and call it a day..

 

[DJE624]

Well,I have decided to hold off on the 160Tstat for now and do some more research,going stay with the 180 and continue to use the LMS 4+ and throw a Reische 170° Performance Thermostat in and call it a day..

I am going to stick with my Reische 170 also.  You should be able to return the 160. 

 

[SHOdded]

Slightly offtopic   Tomc, did you ever put in the S&B filter you had talked a little bit about some time ago?  Interested in your feedback on that.

 

[Tomc612]

Slightly offtopic   Tomc, did you ever put in the S&B filter you had talked a little bit about some time ago?  Interested in your feedback on that.

Yes.. I like these filters because of their filtering capabilities..

http://www.sbfilters.com/index.php/iso-testing/

 

[4DRHTRD]

I'll get them added to my store

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[Livernois Motorsports]

Guys,

At the end of the day we made a decision to have a new thermostat made, designed it, tested it, and paid for the tool-up and production costs. We didn't do this for any other reason than wanting to offer what we feel is a superior product. While a 170 was better than stock, we wanted to give our customers the best improvement for their dollars. We are not the type of company that just keeps doing the same thing over and over again if there is an improvement to be had.

These engines are not like older Ford engines, they like to be ran cooler. In fact, all of the OEM power claims and durability testing are done based on 140* coolant temps, so 160* is definitely not going to short change the life or durability of any of the components. Even Ford recognized the need for a lower temperature thermostat than they use in almost all other applications. This will help with turbo life, and overall consistency in performance as these cars (and trucks) are very power dense, and generate a great deal of heat, so every little bit helps. We feel it is the best option for these cars in coinciding with our tuning.