Reische 170° Performance Thermostat???

[jm@ReischePerf]

Even Ford recognized the need for a lower temperature thermostat than they use in almost all other applications.

Not true... Ford has been running 180* thermostats in many of their higher performance applications for a very long time.  If you guys truly wanted to design a better product for this application from the ground up, you would have made a cold-side thermostat for this cold-side type application.  Anything else is compromised.

I don't want to get in a pissing match here but I think it just comes down to who the customer chooses to put their trust in. If anyone wants to know the technical explanation behind what I've stated please call me (661-414-2116), I don't think it's good etiquette to get into a back and forth on the internet.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I don't think it's good etiquette to get into a back and forth on the internet.
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I do, it's about time someone called them out.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Guys,

At the end of the day we made a decision to have a new thermostat made, designed it, tested it, and paid for the tool-up and production costs. We didn't do this for any other reason than wanting to offer what we feel is a superior product. While a 170 was better than stock, we wanted to give our customers the best improvement for their dollars. We are not the type of company that just keeps doing the same thing over and over again if there is an improvement to be had.

These engines are not like older Ford engines, they like to be ran cooler. In fact, all of the OEM power claims and durability testing are done based on 140* coolant temps, so 160* is definitely not going to short change the life or durability of any of the components. Even Ford recognized the need for a lower temperature thermostat than they use in almost all other applications. This will help with turbo life, and overall consistency in performance as these cars (and trucks) are very power dense, and generate a great deal of heat, so every little bit helps. We feel it is the best option for these cars in coinciding with our tuning.

Wait, what? So let me get this straight, your claim is that Ford is stacking the deck when testing power and durability, then immediately turns around and sells us the product based on those claims yet the parts combo is different?

Bait and switch?

Some would call that fraud.

Methinks the EPA might have an issue with this also, IF it were true.

If I go drop in a 140 degree t-stat will my car pass emissions?

Also, please explain how 20 degree hotter operating temps over the life of the vehicle doesn't decrease the power, durability, and life of the components.

If that's true, why in the hell is anyone buying colder thermostats?

 

[Joleat]

While I do love a good debate, and I understand that we're all passionate about our rides, I'd like to ask that we not encourage any arguing. I know, I know, I'm not a mod and you don't have to listen to me. I have spent many hours on forums and I've moderated in the past. Discussions can escalate rather quickly. I think the last thing we want is for our vendors and parts suppliers to feel disrespected.

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[jm@ReischePerf]

So let me get this straight, your claim is that Ford is stacking the deck when testing power and durability...

Glad I'm not the only one who can smell the BS around here...

 

[SHOdded]

Post some technical papers for us all to enjoy, and let's have a hearty discussion based on that

 

[4DRHTRD]

I'm going to close this thread but offer a viewpoint:
1. Customer ordered products that were misrepresented, LMS should have updated their site to reflect the new information, may have been an oversight but either way.
2. Reische has every reason to be upset when a vendor sells a customer what they think is a Reische product but in fact is a substituted product. Whether that product is bad or great, Reische's name should be taken off that product.

As I've stated before I sell thermostats and there's a ton of info out there on the benefits and the negatives of putting in a lower thermostat than stock. Each will fight tooth and nail to defend their position. I put them in but I am agnostic in my position and as a vendor offer it as a convenience to my customers.

Joel and LMS I suggest you start two different topics each with your viewpoint of the Ecoboost thermostat and technical documentation on why you set your degree points and it would be great if you could post up some reference material to back your position. I also encourage someone who is technical to put up a counter viewpoint on leaving it stock with supported documentation as well. Let the readers make their own decision.