Smoking from bad turbo

[SHOdded]

These engines basically sound like diesels coz they are similar in setup.  Post a video if you want confirmation.

I dont see the same EXACT code popping up multiple times.  I do see warnings of the same problem on both banks, which is what led me to the timing question.  None of the codes point to PCV or emissions, which tells me there is an active problem, just not in those areas at this time.

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

On the autozone printout it has
code p0016 and p052b 3 times
Code p052d 2 times

I took a video but it won’t let me upload it

Thanks so much for all the help

 

[ZSHO]

It sounds like your VCT-Solenoid on bank 1! The system is of the force-feed type in which oil is supplied under Full pressure to the crankshaft connecting rod bearings,time chain tensioner's and VCT solenoids . It could be something simple as a chafed wire which can be fixed by purchasing a pigtail..

Here'a similar topic below. Z

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5280.msg84366.html#msg84366

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

Fantastic so I’ll look into the wires and look into diagnosing/replacing a vct solenoid. Also read in the tread about timing chain stretching really hoping not to do a timing chain

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

Something is def up with the car. It’s raining out and figured perfect it will dissipate the smoke a little and nobody’s outside walking. Get out of the driveway get on the car instantly a few times no smoke like before gets up to temp starts smoking again when I get on it and CEL starts flashing again, weak acceleration running a bit rough. Thankfully only a 1/4” mike from home.

 

[Izzybird]

Look in to Forscan for a scan tool, quite handy on the fords. It was free for quite awhile, I assume it still is but not positive. I use a hard wire dongle, but the Bluetooth ones seem to do fine for a lot of people.

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

I will look into it and found a few post in a few forums about throwing similar codes and this timing chain being known for stretching. I know none of the cars history so I’m thinking timing chains maybe update to 2012+ replace the phasers/sensors? And just because it’s only money and time and oh yeah I have nothing better to do water pump.

 

[SHOdded]

No real "updates" to be had in the timing area between Gens 4 & 5.  You can opt to put in new sensors at the time of work, tho.  If you do the water pump, do timing chain, tensioners, and guides, along with VCT solenoids.  The toughest part of it all, believe it or not, will be getting the front cover back on securely due to it using an RTV seal instead of a real gasket.

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

I read the chain was a different type and you had to change the gears?

 

[SHOdded]

Might be for the F150?  Different version of the 3.5EB in it.

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

This is where I got my information from it’s a Ford Flex forum

https://www.fordflex.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16661

 

[ZSHO]

@ -Bottom of thread!  Z

I have the roller chain setup but I don't plan on changing styles. I'm trying to get an idea of what items I should replace as basic maintenance while doing this job. I've ordered many of the items that were on the list you posted (as appropriate for my model/year) but suspect I'll be able to re-use some of the parts that you had to buy due to changing designs. I'll have many of these parts on hand, but will return what is not necessary and would rather not disturb anything on the engine I don't need to (just trying not to create any problems that don't exist).

https://www.fordflex.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16661

 

[SHOdded]

As far as the SHO goes, same P/N for  years, at least w/r  to timing chains.

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

Well this is what I came up with on rockauto didn’t want to go on eBay

Thermostat:  Motorad 180’      7354180.      7.85$

Water pump:  ac Delco.            252941.        66.79$

Timing set:    Melling              31047s.        296.79$

Timing cover  Mahle.              Jv5183.        39.79$
gasket set:

Vvt solenoid.  Gates.              Vvs117.        36.79

Temp sensor is out of stock on rockauto guess eBay

Not sure how many vvt solenoids I need
Not sure what else I need, phasers? (Dont know what it is) valve cover gaskets?

Suggestions?

 

[SHOdded]

One vct solenoid per bank for the SHO

Would recommend to stay with motorcraft for wp and tstat, but your call.

Phasers are the big gears on each bank that, along with the solenoids, make automatic timing adjustability possible.  Also used for emissions/egr functionality.
https://itstillruns.com/cam-phasers-7210662.html

https://youtu.be/wQ8M1aw-5qw

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

Great information and awesome video thanks for sharing it. So i saw phasers and they were about 120$ each on rockauto. I didn’t even think of oil pump so I’m going to look into that also now it can’t hurt. It would be nice if somebody offered a complete kit, I’m sure I’m missing something. Between the turbos, gaskets and a complete timing setup i should have gotten that engine/trans setup for 1800$ oh well atleast I’m learning

 

[SHOdded]

It's a gamble on what you get either way, i think.  Hard to know even if you look it over before buying.

I don't think you need phasers, would not worry about them.  Phasers were issues on the F150, not the SHO.  They are not the same engine in MANY ways   Timing chains, water pump, tensioners, VCT solenoids are really all that need to be replaced.  The oil pump does not need replacing.  The only way it is worth replacing the oil pump is to install an upgraded Livernois pump, which is helpful in enthusiastic autox type driving.  There might be a coupla new bolts to be installed as some are TTY.

 

[ZSHO]

Good Read!  Z

https://www.hendonpub.com/police_fleet_manager/articles/2012/1112/ford_nextgen_police_interceptor_tech_training_part

 

[SHOdded]

Lots of goodies in that article :thumb:

 

[Spyder3000gtvr4]

Yea uh I read that article thank you by the way. It says thisinnthe oil section:
        Change the oil and the problem goes away. How about using synthetic oil? Nope. It is the anti-foam additive package that gets depleted, not the breakdown of the base stock.

Uh I used synthetic....