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firewater88

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So, I apparently blew up a piston and sent a rod through the case. I have the lovely task of choosing to replace the motor or walk away from my 2011 EB Flex Titanium. The car has 80k on it and is in great shape, well now besides the motor.
Just asking opinions, is it worth replacing? First quote was $12k.  All new parts. Not to sure I want used (i.e. Someone else's problems). Shopping around and still have a call into Livernois. Just not sure if I should do it or cut losses, sell as is and get into a different ride.
Opinions?


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Are the heads ok?  A new short block from Ford is $1300ish.  If you only need a bottom end, I would work on getting a short block and find a cheaper shop to install.
 
Was quoted a long block from Ford and they recommended turbos. Said there was quite a bit of metallic in the oil. Should I do the turbos too?


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Ooof!

You have tons of options, but I would be looking for a donor car.  They can be had for $1500-2000 and you could swap the whole motor and turbos, etc.  I think this would be your best option even if you choose to turn around and sell the car.  I'm guessing it has close to zero value the way it sits.  A few thousand invested could bring the value up to $15,000ish?  Have to check the value of your car to know for sure.

 
Well, wasn't at wot, just normal driving going up a hill. Wasn't high rpm and not getting on it. Mechanic asked if I had a tune, I said yes, he immediately said that's what did it.
Same exact thing happened to my brother in laws F150 while passing on highway pulling an empty trailer (not tuned).
No pics, saw pieces of piston, ring and block.
Gotta figure out what to do soon and get it off the lot it's at.
KBB in excellent condition is around $19k


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firewater88 said:
KBB in excellent condition is around $19k
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That's a lot of $$$ to walk away from.  I don't think you'd like the offers you get in it's current form.  I would get it running with a total swap for a reasonable price and then decide if you want to keep it or move on.

UNLESS....you are interested in having some fun!  Then I'd be shipping a used longblock to Livernois to have them work their magic and take the car to the next level.
 
I hate to ask, but what tune were you running?  PM me if you want it private.  Nuking the motor going up hill sounds like an overboost situation to me.
 
Well, that thought has crossed my mine and I'm only about 2 hours from them. Their price of the long block was cheaper than what I can get from Ford. Also figured I'm screwed and going in debt, might as well have some fun, right!


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firewater88 said:
Well, wasn't at wot, just normal driving going up a hill. Wasn't high rpm and not getting on it. Mechanic asked if I had a tune, I said yes, he immediately said that's what did it.
Same exact thing happened to my brother in laws F150 while passing on highway pulling an empty trailer (not tuned).
No pics, saw pieces of piston, ring and block.
Gotta figure out what to do soon and get it off the lot it's at.
KBB in excellent condition is around $19k


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No offense but that mechanic doesn't know wtf he's talking about. Most tuners don't even touch part throttle and it sounds like you might have got a visit from the lspi demon. Ford learned a lot of lessons from the mazdaspeed 2.3 which is apparently quite prone to it. It can still happen though as the phenomena is not completely understood.
 
firewater88 said:
Well, wasn't at wot, just normal driving going up a hill. Wasn't high rpm and not getting on it. Mechanic asked if I had a tune, I said yes, he immediately said that's what did it.
Same exact thing happened to my brother in laws F150 while passing on highway pulling an empty trailer (not tuned).
No pics, saw pieces of piston, ring and block.
Gotta figure out what to do soon and get it off the lot it's at.
KBB in excellent condition is around $19k


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I've noticed that both stock and even a lot of aftermarket tunes will allow you to lug the engine more than I am comfortable. I have started rolling around in S and being more exaggerated with the throttle to avoid it.
 
AnotherGreenFusion said:
firewater88 said:
Well, wasn't at wot, just normal driving going up a hill. Wasn't high rpm and not getting on it. Mechanic asked if I had a tune, I said yes, he immediately said that's what did it.
Same exact thing happened to my brother in laws F150 while passing on highway pulling an empty trailer (not tuned).
No pics, saw pieces of piston, ring and block.
Gotta figure out what to do soon and get it off the lot it's at.
KBB in excellent condition is around $19k


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I notice the both stock and even a lot of aftermarket tunes will allow you to lug the engine more than I am comfortable. I have started rolling around in S and being more exaggerated with the throttle to avoid it.
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That is for sure!  My car will sit at 1400 rpm under boost to go up a hill.  1400 is closer to an idle speed in my mind.
 
The way he said it was that with the high pressure motor is already at tight tolerance stock and tuned just finds the weakest point and that's what failed. Not saying I believe him, but that's what he said. I'm trying to gather as much info in a short amount of time to figure out what I want to do


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And honestly, I don't know much about all that. I learned what I know from these forums. I know you guys know way more about the internals than me... And I won't even try to sound like I know what the f I'm talking about...


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I would base the decision on finances, how long you want to own the car, and how much enjoyment you would get out of a built motor.

Because I'm a person of extremes, I would either do a used swap to get it correct again and then trade it in, or build the heck out of it and have some fun.

There is a middle ground that is probably smarter, but I generally am either taking my car forward or getting rid of it to move toward the next.
 
Sorry to hear about the blown motor! Donor car would be the cheapest bet I would think as long as you have a good mechanic who isn't going to bend you over for the swap...19K resale is a lot to walk away from... but if you don't owe anything on it... you could get a few bucks for scraping it as a down payment on another vehicle...

Knowing the tuner isn't going to make much difference... not until we start hearing about a lot more blown motors... we all know that tuning these things stress the motor... and motors crap the bed without a tune... I have read a lot of forums and have not seen a trend one way or the other.

 
Car is paid off and have only owned it for a year and a half. Was planning on keeping it for a long time. Told my wife 200k+ or till the wheels fell off.
I feel if I walk away from it, I would get maybe $3k  (?) in current condition. Being titanium, I could part it out and get some but would then still go further in debt buying another car.
I don't want to, but I guess I would drop serious cash on a motor I know will be done right and last. Getting a do are might be cheaper, but then I might be buying other problems.


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