Livernois Motorsports 3.5 Ecoboost engine build with upgraded rods and pistons

I just need to understand what needs to be quantified. I am completely baffled to what this forum wants from its vendors. LMS comes on and tells you that SHO 's are having an engine failure and everyone is questioning their honesty and integrity like they have done nothing for this platform. At the same time a new company comes to light in a thread by the name of Tuning by James  and when I question their ability to tune these vehicles with no known track record  I get jumped on for just expressing my opinion on their capabilities, which I can handle if there is a consistency in the stance and position of others towards vendors. There is definitely a bias here that is felt and heard by members outside of myself.
And before people come and say I have a love of LMS, I would gladly back pretty much all of the vendors out there on this forum. Just feel I need to fight the good fight as I know that LMS don't live and die by this forum and I personally have had nothing short of an excellent experience with all of their products and support after purchase.
 
SRT82ECOBOOST said:
I just need to understand what needs to be quantified. I am completely baffled to what this forum wants from its vendors. LMS comes on and tells you that SHO 's are having an engine failure and everyone is questioning their honesty and integrity like they have done nothing for this platform. At the same time a new company comes to light in a thread by the name of Tuning by James  and when I question their ability to tune these vehicles with no known track record  I get jumped on for just expressing my opinion on their capabilities, which I can handle if there is a consistency in the stance and position of others towards vendors. There is definitely a bias here that is felt and heard by members outside of myself.
And before people come and say I have a love of LMS, I would gladly back pretty much all of the vendors out there on this forum. Just feel I need to fight the good fight as I know that LMS don't live and die by this forum and I personally have had nothing short of an excellent experience with all of their products and support after purchase.
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Your response was "jumped" due to a lack of tact, and abrasive choice of wording... Not your lack of faith.
All we're asking for is constructive conversation...
 
I was referring to the engineering side of things.  As enthusiasts, we share data in our quest to get better results, bottom line.  Performance and/or longevity, whatever suits the individual.

Discussions should be data-centric, not vendor-centric.  Vendors are a source of information, just like ornery members.  Your choice to take it or leave it.  Have your say ONCE and leave it at that.  Nobody needs to nag anybody into submission, we are all adults here, and understand that we all think differently.

To all who care to pay attention:  do not turn this into another vendor against vendor thread.  That is simply not the intention, and does not do anybody any good.
 
As for LMS... Nobody is discrediting what they are saying... Just asking for further clarification. The only reason it was moved is because it's not "news".

Nobody said they were lying or staying false information... But they stated a conclusion and I for one wanted to know how/why they arrived at that conclusion.


What's so wrong with that???
 
Basically it comes down to a few members, most of whom are administrators, that try to control every thread built around LMS to try and reign in members like myself that back them. Why can I not defend them? Do I not respectfully disagree and put my voice out there in an intelligent manner that reinforces my point of view?
 
SRT82ECOBOOST said:
Basically it comes down to a few members, most of whom are administrators, that try to control every thread built around LMS to try and reign in members like myself that back them. Why can I not defend them? Do I not respectfully disagree and put my voice out there in an intelligent manner that reinforces my point of view?
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In order:
FoMoCoSHO, SHOdded, and myself are the only Admins / mods at this time... Other than mike. And mike hasn't really had any interaction at all with these threads. I don't think we've been attempting to control anything and honestly I don't think you could ask for a fairer, more levelheaded, objective group of guys than my two coworkers.

You're welcome to defend whomever you like... I just don't see a need to defend someone when nobody is being attacked. My only possible explanation is that you're reading into a persecutive tone that just isn't there.

As far as respectful and intelligently disagreeing... I wouldn't call shooting down someone's questions about a product option with the post...
SRT82ECOBOOST said:
Sounds like a great path to travel down towards a blown engine.
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... respectful or intelligent, being that you really had no data to offer.
 
More importantly... You never answered my question.

What have I done wrong? Tell me, in your opinion, what have I done that has been anti-LMS??
 
Why am I so adamant about clearing the air?? Because I'm personally sick of having to defend myself every time I move an LMS thread, or ask a question. It's absolutely bogus.

Nobody said one word to FoMoCoSHO when he moved TCEs offer for a discounted set of brakes out of general info and under their own category... But I move an LMS thread out of news and under their own category, plus went out of my way to provide what I felt to be a very neutral response justifying why I was moving it (which I shouldn't have had to do to begin with) and it starts it all over again.

...wtf
 
"Let's be real... If LMS says they're from SHOs, I guess they're from SHOs. Although it does surprise me that with all the longitudinal engines *** had blown up, they haven't seem even one to rebuild. Also surprising that nobody had heard of anybody blowing their first transverse motor yet... And LMS has several in their shop... But I'm not arguing. It just means we don't have the full picture from the ecoboost world yet, and have more to learn."

@Jimijak: The above was pulled directly from a post on this thread. You are calling them out on their findings with an overwhelming statement of doubt while try to cover both sides of the coin.
I don't have to agree with you on this unless that is the goal of this forum is to have everyone drinking the same kool-aid.
 
I'm not saying you have to ask the same questions, or even want to know the answers. But stop telling me I'm attacking them. Difference of opinion is encouraged... That's what grows the knowledge base... But making it into a _____ vs. LMS war every time a question is asked isn't helping anything.

The ONLY thing I was pointing out with my "doubt", is that this goes against what this forums current opinion / knowledge of the platform is. Not that it's untrue. More surprised this is the first we're hearing of this than anything.

SRT8... Are you surprised they haven't seen a blown f150? Have you heard of a blown transverse?


SRT82ECOBOOST said:
"Let's be real... If LMS says they're from SHOs, I guess they're from SHOs. Although it does surprise me that with all the longitudinal engines *** had blown up, they haven't seem even one to rebuild. Also surprising that nobody had heard of anybody blowing their first transverse motor yet... And LMS has several in their shop... But I'm not arguing. It just means we don't have the full picture from the ecoboost world yet, and have more to learn."

@Jimijak: The above was pulled directly from a post on this thread. You are calling them out on their findings with an overwhelming statement of doubt while try to cover both sides of the coin.
I don't have to agree with you on this unless that is the goal of this forum is to have everyone drinking the same kool-aid.
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Ladies......
Here is some perspective as I see it..(my opinions )
How many SHO's! Xsports, Flex's has ford sold??? Anyone know that number??
10's of 1,000's!!!!
How many members on this site and members with friends not on this site but with ecoboost??
I would guess LMS is the largest ecoboost tuning company in the country with the largest amount of research and data on our vehicles.
So here is some reality... Their "opinion" carries a great deal weight whether they provide facts/data or not. Their facts or data is proprietary. They spent the time and money to get it.
There is not one person on this site that has logged as many hours of research, time or money as they have.

This is not a slam on anyone on this site. My statements may even be wrong. But they are exactly that, my opinion.
The people on this site that are also pushing the envelope some even farther then LMS in some cases.
We all have a common goal. Speed and power. I think we all need to take it down a notch and not be so technical about statements being made and who can prove what.
LMS, torrie, TCE, RX.... Can all help get us what we all want...
But if we start acting like high girls bitching each other out..... They will tire of us and walk away.. Along with members...
I think most of us can agree the "active" venders on this site are honest, trustworthy and doing the right thing for members and their customers.
So let's all play nice... Because honestly, I find myself not reading threads because I don't want to hear all the bickering... I can go to the local high school for that...


 
So if a difference of opinion is encouraged just let me voice my concerns on the topic and you can do the same. Just don't try to reign in my opinions if they conflict with yours or others.
 
SRT82ECOBOOST said:
So if a difference of opinion is encouraged just let me voice my concerns on the topic and you can do the same. Just don't try to reign in my opinions if they conflict with yours or others.
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Ditto...
 
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JimiJak  ...
I wouldn't sweat it ... some folks read into everything that is posted and interpret it as being disrespectful to LMS  .
There are even LMS customers that have noticed this in there postings .

There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions and proof of claims from any Vendor .

Are we not asking not asking questions of other vendors  and products ?

I dont remember seeing anyone that was offended by ALL  of the questioning directed at Tracy at RX or him being offended or any offensive replies made by him .

Has anyone been offended by the questions asking for data such as dyno proof that's been  directed towards spartan27 and his startup company with his new exhaust system ?


I attempted to have a CAI redesign from FastLane Turbo  refined so that it would meet the demands of what OUR members wanted in a TRUE CAI and failed .
I dont remember anyone criticising me or any other members for asking for proof backed by data from FastLane .
I think part of the reason they failed to deliver the product we wanted was because they could not back up there claims with proof .. dyno results .

We ask questions of vendors because many of us are fact oriented and often times  these questions and probing gets us the products we want .

Sometimes being persistent in questioning vendors helps with product development as they see the seriousness as Market Potential .

In the very near future as Megan Racing releases there new CoilOvers for the platform as well as some other products , I see members asking them for proof of claims for the capabilities of these new items .
Will Megan be offended by questioning ? No , because they have a world wide Market .
 
To the mods don't think what SRT is expressing a valid argument. Here is some data for you take a look around here lot of old regulars. Not posting here anymore, and this should speak volumes about the decorum here.

I still read here a lot, but comment very little. Let face it fellas this place isn't fun anymore.

LMS is only one vendor that posts here frequently. And every statement they make is meet by extreme opposition.

Now tracey is also very active. Yet he is meet with none of this. There are few guys here that have installed his system and to me personally from what reading I've done on his system and that subject yet. That it isn't operating the way it was intended. Yet I've drawn no conclusions yet. The system sure sounds like something that is beneficial. But it seems that there are some kinks in it on how it should be applied to transverse applications.

But back to the decorum here as this the direction this thread has taken. You can say all you want we are just asking for facts or just asking a question. But the proof is in the pudding fellas. There is a lot of people that have veered away from here. So call it what you want. But I am done arguing about this stuff.


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Let's change gears...
How do we make it "better"?

Fact is, some members are skeptical of LMS...and some members are their proponents. So when a thread is posted involving them, there's bound to be some disagreements. No way around it. Loyal v. critic is on every site since ever. But the two sides have it out, and move on.

I think what makes this site different than most is we have roughly only 50 active members in a month. Because of this we are more personal with each other. We are a tighter group than most forums.
Personally, I love it here...and my observations from above are why. It's not overwhelming...it's personal. Most of the time we're all here for each other. To help each other along. But The Great Divide exists, and it's name is LMS.

I don't think anyone will disagree with what I wrote above.
So the important part here is: how do we make it better?
Let's seriously be constructive here guys. Nobody likes these pi**ing matches. Myself included. But they're easy to get caught up in when you've reached your limit of others bickering. I'm just as guilty.

So what can we do? ? ?

In hindsight I'm going to start this as it's own thread, and open it up to the masses since we likely scarred some members away from reading this far...

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3053.0.html
 
JimiJak said:
SRT8... Are you surprised they haven't seen a blown f150? Have you heard of a blown transverse?
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I already pointed out, we had one here.  The OP had a video of him taking off from a redlight with snow everywhere and popped the engine when I assume it shifted to 3rd.  He pulled over shortly there after and used snow to put out his fire.  He removed it, once I told him having a public video of him obviously braking the law, then blowing up his motor would need help his cause for warranty/insurance claim.
 
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