New TSB for 3.5 GDI Sartup Rattle 15-0131

68_GT said:
understandable as long as that's the oil that might help clear my oil passages to eliminate / reduce my timing chain rattle on start up and my engine light coming on and off due to cam phasers and reduced timing / performance.
If you just changed your oil recently wait roughly 500 miles and change your oil again over to the Signature series,its almost like a Motor flush which IMHO should be performed at least twice a year especially if your having issues and should hopefully help out cleaning the passage/phasers in the long run.  Z
 
With 36k on the clock I have the obvious rattle on startups and yesterday I changed from Mobil One EP5w20 and EP filter over to Motorcraft FL500s filter and Amsoil Signature 5w20 oil. I could tell immediately there was a noise drop on startup right after change.

This morning when starting car it was quiet. I'm hoping this a solution as it seems to be working so far.
 
Yea... Love Amsoil (for my '13 use Signature 5w30)... And FMC filter... So far all is good at 29k miles.
 
TX MKS-T said:
With 36k on the clock I have the obvious rattle on startups and yesterday I changed from Mobil One EP5w20 and EP filter over to Motorcraft FL500s filter and Amsoil Signature 5w20 oil. I could tell immediately there was a noise drop on startup right after change.

This morning when starting car it was quiet. I'm hoping this a solution as it seems to be working so far.
Perfect combo,especially the MC Filter.  Z
 
I think the motorcraft filter is garbage...ford sent that out to the cheapest bidder

Amsoil was concerned with statistical performance of their filters....i would prefer all things oil related to be amsoil
 
Not many comparisons that include Amsoil oil filters out there, AJP,  their official flow characteristics seem a little "muted" compared to competitors in the market.  I don't think MC filters are garbage at all, but can you get better, or ones that can filter for longer, sure!  As to the cheapest bidder, I wouldn't be surprised :) but the filters are quite heavy for their size.
 
Ford Racing filter specs attached, and look pretty good.

I've read repeatedly that its the same as a normal motorcraft with a stouter case and that they are all rebadged Purolator Pure Ones.

Since I have startup noise I'm going to swap out my filter and see if it changes.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/CM-6731-FL820





 
Now my engine light pretty much stays on. I need to get my car registered but have to get it inspected first 👎🏼
 
Actually I have three according to my tuner device. Strange the engine light goes off and on....

P0016

P0299

C1001

 
P0016 - generic camshaft position correlation sensor bank A

P0299 - turbocharger low boost

C1001 - unknown, maybe related to the backup camera if you have one.
 
68_GT said:
any idea for fixes ???
Not for the "C" code, but does your camera work? This is s general electrical failure code ... The P0299 could be s turbo... More likely a turbo leak though.. So check all the plastic charge pipes and hoses/connections to it ...and look hard as turbo leaks are hard to find. The camshaft sensor likely speaks for itself... But has catastrophic implications.
 
Funny thing, seeing this thread today about the startup rattle.

Since I got my 2015 SHO with 18k on the clock, it has had about a 1/2 second rattle sound on startup.  Worse when cold, though it will do it at least a little anytime the car sits for more than a few minutes.  But, again, we are talking 1/2 second worth, nothing more.

I always assumed it was "normal" sounds from the engine until oil pressure built.  Kind of like a dry engine for a split second that then fixes itself through lubrication.  I have heard other cars (all different makes and models) do this too, especially when cold.

But yesterday, I test drove a 2011 SHO with 39k on it (to possibly buy for the wife).  That thing was quiet as a church mouse on startup.  Even sounded much less "diesel" like when idling than my car does - both warm and cold.  Kind of annoyed me :).  The wife ended up getting the 4 cylinder Ecoboost Fusion, and that thing is quiet, too.

In the end, I suspect some Ecoboosts will do this a little, some a bunch, some not at all.  Probably a "tolerance stack" issue that adds up to create this symptom for X percentage.
 
I took my MKS with 65k in for startup noise and after they mentioned timing chain related components, I found these TSB's.  They are going to have my car all week doing this and some other maintenance things.  I'm guessing the whole engine is coming out to get at the chain as the front cover probably won't fit out by the shock tower.  Glad I'm under warranty until 12/18 or 125k.
 
They don't have to remove the engine exactly, but they do have to remove the motor mount and hoist the engine to get at the front cover.  So yeah ... Warranty GOOD!
 
I have heard the rattle once on mine and will be paying close attention.  I know the rattle well since I owned a CV with a 4.6 that also had the problem.  Pretty sad that Ford has had this issue with other motors since the '90's and is still releasing motors with timing chain related issues.
 
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