Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine

[FearlessAZ]

I am almost positive that the filter couldn't have been that dirty.

But the misfire part lined up with the rest of the nonsense. And with the VTA, maybe that is what pulled the oil out?

I guess at this point, I just have to wait for Ford's word. I will be calling them tomorrow for an update.

 

[FearlessAZ]

After a lot of back and forth with the dealership in TX, they want to ship the car out here because they can not find any exact cause. They also wan't me to pay for the shipping.

The dealership here in AZ can't own up to anything because the TX dealership just gives them a lot of maybes. Maybe it is this. Maybe it is that. Dealership can't do anything about maybes.

The way the dealership presented it to the warranty company was screw up. At the time, they told the warranty company they couldn't find a leak or a failed part so of course they will deny the claim because that is a dealership issue to cover.

Seems like every thing they presented falls back to the AZ dealership. First it was the charge pipe leaking form my BOVs, then they didn't think the right amount of oil was ever put in, then they claimed they thought the timing chain cover wasn't installed correctly. All point back to the dealership here. But all just maybes.

 

[SHOdded]

Unless Ford is willing to work the dealership in AZ and provide assistance in your case, the only other option I see is lawyering up.  Even then, I think it will depend on the lawyer, not the documentation ...

 

[FearlessAZ]

So after many months, final conclusion after the tear down is the dealership believes it to be a low fill scenario. They can't find an external leak to warrant that much of a loss and no signs of ingestion. The actual cause of the motor seizing was the turbo impellers basically began to melt and the engine main bearing became wasted due to the high heat and friction of no oil.


After so much back in forth with the dealership in Texas and them refusing to do a tear down, I was forced to have the car shipped back here to Phoenix to restart the whole process. The dealership here did the tear down and came to the conclusion above. They say it is the only thing that makes sense.

After talking with the GM here of the dealership that did all the work and the oil change, he says they will not claim any responsibility. He says there is no way I would have made it that far and anything could have happened between here and there.

Guess it is time to lawyer up.

Facts on the table are that I did make it that far and less than 24 hours after the oil change. No warning lights at all until I tried to restart the vehicle on the side of the road. After full tear down, no signs of a leak anywhere close to that big or any signs of ingestion.

 

[SHOdded]

sorry to hear the offending dealership is not cooperating, but sometimes you have to take assistance from the means provided by law.  I hope you smack 'em down but good!  You are one patient dude!!!

 

[ZSHO]

X2 sorry to hear about the mischief with this dealer especially with the holidays just around the corner. Best of luck and keep us updated. Z

 

[FearlessAZ]

The one thing I constantly hear from these techs and managers is it wouldn't make it that far on a quart of oil and how come the oil didnt come on. I have absolutely no answers to these.

Is the light an oil pressure or level light? It didn't come on until we were already on the side of the road and about to try and turn it back on.

I can't even begin to explain how it made it that far. I have heard when they do oil changes, there is roughly a quart still inside everything unless flushed. With a good synthetic and a couple quarts, I could believe it made it that far with the same result of stuff getting hot enough to cause the damage.


I am just stumped by these things.

 

[SHOdded]

AFAIK, strictly a dumb light based on yes/no to a set, expected oil pressure level.  Couldn't tell you the finer details re how that works though, there is an acceptable range because pressure will vary by temperature, rpm, etc.  Have to look-see if there is info in the shop manual about it.

For a 3.5L NA engine
Oil pressure  Minimum 30 psi @ 1,500 rpm with engine at normal operating temperature 

For a 2.0EB engine
Oil pressure (hot @ 2,000 rpm)  200 kPa (29.01 psi) - 268 kPa (38.87 psi) 

For a 3.5L EB engine
Oil pressure  Minimum 30 psi @ 1,500 rpm with engine at normal operating temperature 

 

[FearlessAZ]

So it is based on oil pressure and not on level?


Would make a little sense why it didn't come on right away

 

[SHOdded]

That is my understanding yes.  Could have been a faulty EOP switch ... or not.  The oil pump could be WAY too good at its' job ... or not.  Many possibilities.

The wiring diagram shows a) normal pressure, b) low pressure, but NO c) high pressure ...

This is a list of DTCs to show you just how far down the food chain input from this switch is

PCM DTC Chart
DTC     Description
P0125 Insufficient Coolant Temp For Closed Loop Fuel Control
P0128 Coolant Thermostat (Coolant Temp Below Thermostat Regulating Temperature)
P0504 Brake Switch A / B Correlation
P0512 Starter Request Circuit
P0532 A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor A Circuit Low
P0533 A/C Refrigerant Pressure Sensor A Circuit High
P0562 System Voltage Low
P0563 System Voltage High
P0572 Brake Switch A Circuit Low
P0573 Brake Switch A Circuit High
P0602 Powertrain Control Module Programming Error
P0605 Internal Control Module Read Only Memory (ROM) Error
P0620 Generator Control Circuit
P0625 Generator Field Terminal Circuit Low
P0626 Generator Field Terminal Circuit High
P0645 A/C Clutch Relay Control Circuit
P0657 Actuator Supply Voltage A Circuit/Open
P065B Generator Control Circuit Range/Performance
P06E9 Engine Starter Performance
P0705 Transmission Range Sensor A Circuit (PRNDL Input)
P0706 Transmission Range Sensor A Circuit Range/Performance
P0708 Transmission Range Sensor A Circuit High
P0709 Transmission Range Sensor A Circuit Intermittent
P0710 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor A Circuit
P0711 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor A Circuit Range/Performance
P0712 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor A Circuit Low
P0713 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor A Circuit High
P0715 Turbine/Input Shaft Speed Sensor A Circuit
P0717 Turbine/Input Shaft Speed Sensor A Circuit No Signal
P0718 Turbine/Input Shaft Speed Sensor A Circuit Intermittent
P0720 Output Shaft Speed Sensor Circuit
P0721 Output Shaft Speed Sensor Circuit Range/Performance
P0722 Output Shaft Speed Sensor Circuit No Signal
P0729 Gear 6 Incorrect Ratio
P072C Stuck in Gear 1
P072E Stuck in Gear 3
P072F Stuck in Gear 4
P0733 Gear 3 Incorrect Ratio
P0734 Gear 4 Incorrect Ratio
P0735 Gear 5 Incorrect Ratio
P073A Stuck in Gear 5
P073B Stuck in Gear 6
P0740 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit/Open
P0741 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Performance/Stuck Off
P0742 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Stuck On
P0743 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Electrical
P0744 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Intermittent
P0748 Pressure Control Solenoid A Electrical
P0750 Shift Solenoid A
P0751 Shift Solenoid A Performance/Stuck Off
P0752 Shift Solenoid A Stuck On
P0753 Shift Solenoid A Electrical
P0755 Shift Solenoid B
P0756 Shift Solenoid B Performance/Stuck Off
P0757 Shift Solenoid B Stuck On
P0758 Shift Solenoid B Electrical
P0760 Shift Solenoid C
P0761 Shift Solenoid C Performance/Stuck Off
P0762 Shift Solenoid C Stuck On
P0763 Shift Solenoid C Electrical
P0765 Shift Solenoid D
P0766 Shift Solenoid D Performance/Stuck Off
P0767 Shift Solenoid D Stuck On
P0768 Shift Solenoid D Electrical
P0770 Shift Solenoid E
P0771 Shift Solenoid E Performance/Stuck Off
P0772 Shift Solenoid E Stuck On
P0773 Shift Solenoid E Electrical
P0774 Shift Solenoid E Intermittent
P0960 Pressure Control Solenoid A Control Circuit/Open
P0962 Pressure Control Solenoid A Control Circuit Low
P0963 Pressure Control Solenoid A Control Circuit High
P0973 Shift Solenoid A Control Circuit Low
P0974 Shift Solenoid A Control Circuit High
P0976 Shift Solenoid B Control Circuit Low
P0977 Shift Solenoid B Control Circuit High
P0979 Shift Solenoid C Control Circuit Low
P0980 Shift Solenoid C Control Circuit High
P0982 Shift Solenoid D Control Circuit Low
P0983 Shift Solenoid D Control Circuit High
P1285 Cylinder Head Overtemperature Condition
P1299 Cylinder Head Overtemperature Protection Active
P1464 A/C Demand Out Of Self Test Range
P1594 Forced Engine Shutdown - Remote Start System Fault, No Unattended Vehicle Timeout
P1595 Forced Engine Shutdown - Remote Start System Fault, Transmission Range Not In Park Position
P161A Incorrect Response from Immobilizer Control Module
P1635 Tire/Axle Out of Acceptable Range
P1636 Inductive Signature Chip Communication Error
P1639 Vehicle ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
P163E Transmission Control Module Programming Error
P163F Transmission ID Block Corrupted, Not Programmed
P1700 Transmission Indeterminate Failure (Failed to Neutral)
P1702 Transmission Range Sensor Circuit Intermittent
P1703 Brake Switch Out Of Self Test Range
P1705 Transmission Range Circuit Not Indicating Park/Neutral During Self Test
P1711 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor Out Of Self Test Range
P1744 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Performance
P1780 Transmission Control Switch (O/D Cancel) Circuit Out Of Self Test Range
P1783 Transmission Overtemperature Condition
P1910 Reverse Lamp Control Circuit/Open
P193D Cruise Control Multi-Function Input Signal
P2535 Ignition Switch Run/Start Position Circuit High
P2700 Transmission Friction Element A Apply Time Range/Performance
P2701 Transmission Friction Element B Apply Time Range/Performance
P2702 Transmission Friction Element C Apply Time Range/Performance
P2703 Transmission Friction Element D Apply Time Range/Performance
P2704 Transmission Friction Element E Apply Time Range/Performance
P2705 Transmission Friction Element F Apply Time Range/Performance
P2783 Torque Converter Temperature Too High
U0104 Lost Communication With Cruise Control Module
U0129 Lost Communication With Brake System Control Module
U0300 Internal Control Module Software Incompatibility
All Other DTCs —

 

[FearlessAZ]

Well, after lots of fighting with the dealership and back and forth, I decided to give up. Traded in the SHO and got 2015 MKs Ecoboost with all the options (will do another introduction thread).


The dealership just kept claiming they knew they filled it and they weren't responsible. Also kept saying that I wouldn't have made it that far.

Suing them was not an option because in the state of Arizona, in a negligence case, you can't sue for attorneys fees. So basically each lawyer I talked to said it would probably end up costing close to $10k just to go to trial with the dealership.

 

[sm105k]

Well, after lots of fighting with the dealership and back and forth, I decided to give up. Traded in the SHO and got 2015 MKs Ecoboost with all the options (will do another introduction thread).


The dealership just kept claiming they knew they filled it and they weren't responsible. Also kept saying that I wouldn't have made it that far.

Suing them was not an option because in the state of Arizona, in a negligence case, you can't sue for attorneys fees. So basically each lawyer I talked to said it would probably end up costing close to $10k just to go to trial with the dealership.

For effs sake.  That is a really crappy situation.  The good thing is, the MKs is an upgrade.....

 

[SHOdded]

Royally sucks, can't say this was inevitable knowing the substandard legal options . Congrats on the MKS!