Torque PIDs...Take 2
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ecoboostsho
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Yes they are just Hex addresses. Your screen shot is the hex address of the PID itself not of the module...You could use a serial sniffer and find it out in theory. Unless there is another screen in OBDWiz (haven't seen that one before) that gives it to you. Send me a PM if you are interested and I can get you set up...it really isn't hard to figure out the addresses with the right tool.
Just a little feedback on the air temps. I noticed that starting from cold, at first all the temps were pretty close to ambient. As it warmed up, IAT stayed very close to ambient but CAC and IAT2 started to warm as expected. What was puzzling to me is that for a short period of time, maybe 4 or 5 minutes the CAC was running about 6 degrees warmer than IAT2. Is there any explanation that you can think of that would explain the CAC being warmer than IAT2? A little later in the warm up process, the IAT2 exceeded the CAC and it looked normal to me from that point on. Wonder if coolant flow or closed T-Stat could cause CAC sensor to warm faster than intake manifold?
ecoboostsho
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Hmm...good question. I paid attention to it this morning and while CAC was close to IAT2 just after start up it never actually exceeded it. I'm guessing if you got on the turbocharger it would heat the air up quickly...showing a higher CAC reading...I would only expect IAT2 to be lower if the manifold was still "heat sinking" because it wasn't warmed up yet but I don't know after 4 or 5 minutes I would expect it to be pretty warm? It is also definitely possible that the CAC temp is a little off...it was interpreted where as the IAT2 formula was very straightforward to figure out. I would definitely trust IAT2 over CAC when in doubt at this point.
Climate control was engaged but outside temps were low to mid 60's. I repeated the trip and the results this am. I noticed that after the initial odd differential ( the CAC being warmer than the IAT2 by about 5 degrees), as they moved to a more normal readings that both readings were in motion simultaneously. The CAC was cooling as the IAT2 was warming. This happened pretty rapidly so that in a matter of a minute or less the CAC was reading cooler than the IAT2. I am running the 170 degree stat. What if the CAC warms more quickly than the IAT2 while T-Stat is closed then cools quickly as the stat opens and normal circulation begins. Possibility??
That would actually make sense, the turbos are heated by the exhaust, the intake manifold is a big hunk of aluminum. It would be reasonable that the air in the CAC for a short time be higher than the intake manifold. As the intake manifold is working like a big heat sink.
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I have been doing some data logging with Torque and Forscan, just to double check the accuracy of torque vs Forscan. For the most part it looks like the PIDs are really close with the exception of boost? On torque there is the Boost/Vac gauge, I get a max boost of 16psi of Forscan I get 14.5 as my max. that is quite a bit of difference. I am wondering which is correct. I know that from some of the guys on here they are seeing more than 15psi of boost. I have the 3 bar sensor. Any thoughts?
ecoboostsho
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Curious what elevation you are at?
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Well never mind then. Thought maybe one of the readings was barometrically compensated...
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millinnium
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Even though I don't have an ecoboost engine (2011 German built Ford Focus Titanium) in Australia, my search on the web for torque PID have led me here, and it is here that I have found the most help. So I would like to return in kind with a few PIDs that may help:
If anyone can get the equation or verify them, it will help the community tremendously.
steering wheel angle
223302
HEADER = ABS
FORMULA = "((signed(A)*256+b)/10-780"
lateral angle (g)
222b0c
HEADER = ABS
"SIGNED(A)"
BFLHP Brake fluid line hydraulic pressure 9kpa)
222b0d
Transmission Gear Engaged
221e1f
Tells you which gear is engaged (this jumps because we have dual clutch system i am guessing)
Gear command by Output state
221e12
GIVES GEAR RESULT 0,1,2,3,4,5,6
In Gear?
221e04
- 621e0400000000 = No
cataylst temp
22f43c
"((A*256)+B)-40"
fuel level
22f42f
(A/255*100)
torque control request
2203af
- 6203af0c = anti-theft
maX diff btw TP1 AND TP2
2203A7
6203A700 = 0 DEG
INLET AIR TEMP FAULT
220700
0800000 = NO FAULT
ENGINE TOTAL DIST (STARTUP?)
22DD01
LEARNED RELATIVE OCTANE ADJUST
2203E8
DCEC = 54.81%
"A/256*100"
CLUTCH A SLIP (REV/MIN)
221EBB
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"
CLUTCH B SLIP
221EBC
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"
TRANS AXLE (GEAR RATIO) MEASURED
221E16
F143 = 15.079:1
((A*256)+B) / 4096
726 Header - for battery stuff
BATT AGE
224027
"((A*256)+B)"
BATT CHARGE
224028
"A"
BATT TEMP (c)
224029
"A-40"
IN CAR TEMP (BCM)
22DD04
HEADER = 726
FORMULA = "A/8"
OUTTEMP
22DD05
LATERAL G
222B11
HEADER = ABS
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"
LONGATUDE G
222B0C
HEADER = ABS
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"
CLUTCH A OPEN
221EA0
1 = YES
621EA000010001
ACC COMP STATE
22099B
0000= OFF
ACC PEDAL POSITION %
22032B
"A/256*100"
If anyone can get the equation or verify them, it will help the community tremendously.
steering wheel angle
223302
HEADER = ABS
FORMULA = "((signed(A)*256+b)/10-780"
lateral angle (g)
222b0c
HEADER = ABS
"SIGNED(A)"
BFLHP Brake fluid line hydraulic pressure 9kpa)
222b0d
Transmission Gear Engaged
221e1f
Tells you which gear is engaged (this jumps because we have dual clutch system i am guessing)
Gear command by Output state
221e12
GIVES GEAR RESULT 0,1,2,3,4,5,6
In Gear?
221e04
- 621e0400000000 = No
cataylst temp
22f43c
"((A*256)+B)-40"
fuel level
22f42f
(A/255*100)
torque control request
2203af
- 6203af0c = anti-theft
maX diff btw TP1 AND TP2
2203A7
6203A700 = 0 DEG
INLET AIR TEMP FAULT
220700
0800000 = NO FAULT
ENGINE TOTAL DIST (STARTUP?)
22DD01
LEARNED RELATIVE OCTANE ADJUST
2203E8
DCEC = 54.81%
"A/256*100"
CLUTCH A SLIP (REV/MIN)
221EBB
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"
CLUTCH B SLIP
221EBC
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"
TRANS AXLE (GEAR RATIO) MEASURED
221E16
F143 = 15.079:1
((A*256)+B) / 4096
726 Header - for battery stuff
BATT AGE
224027
"((A*256)+B)"
BATT CHARGE
224028
"A"
BATT TEMP (c)
224029
"A-40"
IN CAR TEMP (BCM)
22DD04
HEADER = 726
FORMULA = "A/8"
OUTTEMP
22DD05
LATERAL G
222B11
HEADER = ABS
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"
LONGATUDE G
222B0C
HEADER = ABS
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"
CLUTCH A OPEN
221EA0
1 = YES
621EA000010001
ACC COMP STATE
22099B
0000= OFF
ACC PEDAL POSITION %
22032B
"A/256*100"
millinnium
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A few more for reading speed on each wheel
ABS Wheel Speed 1 "ABS RFW" "222b06" "A" "KM/H" "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 2 "ABS LFW" "222b07" "A" "KM/H" "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 3 "ABS RRW" "222b08" "A" "KM/H" "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 4 "ABS LRW" "222b09" "A" "KM/H" "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 1 "ABS RFW" "222b06" "A" "KM/H" "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 2 "ABS LFW" "222b07" "A" "KM/H" "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 3 "ABS RRW" "222b08" "A" "KM/H" "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 4 "ABS LRW" "222b09" "A" "KM/H" "ABS"
Wow that's quite the list! Thanks! There's a few in there I'd like to try.
On the Torque vs Forscan I'm going to remove my profile from Forscan and reset the history and give that a shot. I'm going to compare Map sensor readings only and see what that gets.
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On the Torque vs Forscan I'm going to remove my profile from Forscan and reset the history and give that a shot. I'm going to compare Map sensor readings only and see what that gets.
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