AJPTurbo boost regulator mod with EcoPowerParts charge pipes
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ZSHO said:Well anyways best of luck on the newly found fountain of youth project. Zderfdog15 said:
Thanks Z, and I certainly appreciate your input, and the other members as well, I will update the posts as progress is made, and have updated the original post with links to the parts that I bought for anyone curious. I will certainly take pictures along the way of the fab, and try to make a How To as well once it is all said and done.
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Silicon Intakes has aluminum V-band flanges, but I didn't see the right size on their chart, so I emailed them to ask if they had one that would work with the Tial MVS. This is their reply:
"Hello,
I have forwarded your inquiry to our Technical Expert and he has responded with the following:
Brand specific wastegate v-band inlet and outlet flanges such as Tial typically need to be purchased from the wastegate manufacturer. For example, although Tial and Turbosmart wastegate v-band flanges look alike they are manufactured differently and will not fit together or seal properly. Unfortunately, we do not carry these types of brand specific flanges.
Please contact us with any further questions or concerns.
Regards,
Joseph Covely
Customer Service
Silicone Intake Systems, Inc.
www.siliconeintakes.com
sales@siliconeintakes.com"
I suspect I would get the same reply from most other places that offer aluminum flanges. I'm going to take the new steel one that I ordered to the shop I worked at to see what a small batch would cost in aluminum. I know I could probably get a friend to make some out of scrap, but that would be frowned upon by the company and I don't want to get anyone in trouble.
"Hello,
I have forwarded your inquiry to our Technical Expert and he has responded with the following:
Brand specific wastegate v-band inlet and outlet flanges such as Tial typically need to be purchased from the wastegate manufacturer. For example, although Tial and Turbosmart wastegate v-band flanges look alike they are manufactured differently and will not fit together or seal properly. Unfortunately, we do not carry these types of brand specific flanges.
Please contact us with any further questions or concerns.
Regards,
Joseph Covely
Customer Service
Silicone Intake Systems, Inc.
www.siliconeintakes.com
sales@siliconeintakes.com"
I suspect I would get the same reply from most other places that offer aluminum flanges. I'm going to take the new steel one that I ordered to the shop I worked at to see what a small batch would cost in aluminum. I know I could probably get a friend to make some out of scrap, but that would be frowned upon by the company and I don't want to get anyone in trouble.
BOT_ROCKET said:
Let us know what you find out, if it's a price I. An stomach and before I start the actual cutting and welding I'm open to going the all aluminum route.
PPE, the place I linked earlier, does offer aluminum flanges in the correct size but they had a similar answer to what you got. It matches work, but most likely not, and definitely not with the TiAL clamp.
Got some significant progress made. A guy my dad knows did the welding, and we test fit in the process of cutting and shaping. Pipes are all painted gloss black as well. The wastage has the blue and black springs for 17.4psi. Bov has the white -8psi spring. Pics are attached.
We will do another coat of paint tomorrow and let everything cure a bit. Install will be Thursday, along with the downpipes!
We will do another coat of paint tomorrow and let everything cure a bit. Install will be Thursday, along with the downpipes!
IMG 3753 looks like you have a giant silver..Ummm member.... Who new AJP was really silver surfer in disguise!!! Looks awesome, the setup that is. But you sold the SHO right? Where are you getting the test subject from?
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StealBlueSho said:
I have not sold my SHO, I still owe ~27k on her in fact! Working on my own car, but this will be the last mod for a while, then I need to put mod money into paying the car off a bit quicker. Once its payed down substantially the list is
1. Coilovers
2. ATP turbos
3. Custom FMIC
4...hopefully upgraded HPFP
As for the image, I was pretty excited picking the pipes up from the welder, but I have heard AJP has quite the way with the ladies so who knows!
MiWiAu said:
It is one of the options on the Eco Power Parts piping, the TiAL Q 50 will be used to replace the OEM BOVs. It has been rumoured that the stock BOVs can not handle higher boost levels that upgraded turbos give, but who knows, no real gains/differences have been seen. However, I really love the sound of the Q 50 BOV, and liked the bling option, so I went for it with the hot pipes.
MiWiAu said:derfdog15 said:
Ahh, okay, duh.
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No worries, and I hope they come to fruition soon, I am starting to become a baby about driving the SHO in winter (IDK why, it handles perfectly) and may look to get an XSport or a newer expedition as a winter car/travel car (so my cats can ride in style lol). The new expeidition is a bit more appealing, since it appears to have the F150 mounting on the ecoboost, and I like the body style a bit more, plus its a bit bigger (and to my knowledge there aren't many mods, if any, specific for it, though F150 ones might work--so I would be able to keep it stock without much work). If I got an XSport, I feel like it would end up just being a bigger version of my SHO, right down to the rims and tires lol.
Damn...Tapatalk got me... I thought AJP posted that... Well...I stand corrected. Great Job on the fab work!! And congrats on the uh.. member good Sir...derfdog15 said:
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Got impatient and did a bit of install today. Got the intercooler to throttlebody pipe(TiAL BOV pipe) installed. It also has the wastegate boost regulator! Routed my vacuum lines as well and hooked it all up. Car still has the stock BOVs and most of the stock charge piping, until I get the rest of the pipes installed tomorrow. But as it sits the TiAL Q seems to work well. No test of the boost regulator yet as all I did was rev the car and go back to idle.
AJPTurbo is also sending me a tune revision to include the boost regulator mod along with my downpipes spall I have to do is install and load the tune.
Enjoy the pics! (Included a few of my theottlebody as well to show how clean it is at the moment, 12.5k miles with the stock pic system and no catch cans, I still may get a UPR unit at some point)
AJPTurbo is also sending me a tune revision to include the boost regulator mod along with my downpipes spall I have to do is install and load the tune.
Enjoy the pics! (Included a few of my theottlebody as well to show how clean it is at the moment, 12.5k miles with the stock pic system and no catch cans, I still may get a UPR unit at some point)
FYI, there's one other 17.8 psi spring combo for the wastegate that's not on the Tial chart (it's a 3 spring combo). Based on the tolerances of the springs in the kit, you could try the 3 spring combo if the 2 springs don't seem to be quite enough. I think for the 15.95 psi, there were three different spring combos you could use to achieve the same theoretical rating.
I'm out of town right now, but I sent Brad a spreadsheet of all the possible combinations, since the Tial chart only shows one possible spring combo for each setting. He'll get you dialed in, no doubt.
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I'm out of town right now, but I sent Brad a spreadsheet of all the possible combinations, since the Tial chart only shows one possible spring combo for each setting. He'll get you dialed in, no doubt.
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MiWiAu said:FYI, there's one other 17.8 psi spring combo for the wastegate that's not on the Tial chart (it's a 3 spring combo). Based on the tolerances of the springs in the kit, you could try the 3 spring combo if the 2 springs don't seem to be quite enough. I think for the 15.95 psi, there were three different spring combos you could use to achieve the same theoretical rating.
I'm out of town right now, but I sent Brad a spreadsheet of all the possible combinations, since the Tial chart only shows one possible spring combo for each setting. He'll get you dialed in, no doubt.
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You ROCK! I looked at the chart and thought there may be a few other options left out, they seem to go in set steps.
Feel free to post that spreadsheet up at some point, but for now I am hoping this will work as needed. I am excited to run around with solid fuel pressure and minimal boost spikes!
I think the issue is the diameter of the springs right? You can't use two springs of the same diameter since the wastegate has one grove per spring diameter.. so while looking at the spring chart helps, you need to make sure that the spring combination will actually fit in the wastegate.MiWiAu said:FYI, there's one other 17.8 psi spring combo for the wastegate that's not on the Tial chart (it's a 3 spring combo). Based on the tolerances of the springs in the kit, you could try the 3 spring combo if the 2 springs don't seem to be quite enough. I think for the 15.95 psi, there were three different spring combos you could use to achieve the same theoretical rating.
I'm out of town right now, but I sent Brad a spreadsheet of all the possible combinations, since the Tial chart only shows one possible spring combo for each setting. He'll get you dialed in, no doubt.
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IE.. in theory the blue spring is not listed but has a rated psi of 8.7 which is discovered by subtracting the yellow psi out of the 15.95psi (blue/yellow)combination which is listed at 7.25 to give you what the blue spring is... However you may not be able to use the blue spring with the red spring to achieve 14.5psi since I believe the diameter of the springs will not allow them to work together.
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StealBlueSho said:I think the issue is the diameter of the springs right? You can't use two springs of the same diameter since the wastegate has one grove per spring diameter.. so while looking at the spring chart helps, you need to make sure that the spring combination will actually fit in the wastegate.MiWiAu said:FYI, there's one other 17.8 psi spring combo for the wastegate that's not on the Tial chart (it's a 3 spring combo). Based on the tolerances of the springs in the kit, you could try the 3 spring combo if the 2 springs don't seem to be quite enough. I think for the 15.95 psi, there were three different spring combos you could use to achieve the same theoretical rating.
I'm out of town right now, but I sent Brad a spreadsheet of all the possible combinations, since the Tial chart only shows one possible spring combo for each setting. He'll get you dialed in, no doubt.
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IE.. in theory the blue spring is not listed but has a rated psi of 8.7 which is discovered by subtracting the yellow psi out of the 15.95psi (blue/yellow)combination which is listed at 7.25 to give you what the blue spring is... However you may not be able to use the blue spring with the red spring to achieve 14.5psi since I believe the diameter of the springs will not allow them to work together.
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I believe the black and white are the largest size, blue and red in the middle, and yellow and green the smallest. So like you said, you can only combine one from each size.
https://www.maperformance.com/products/tial-sport-replacement-mvr-mvs-wastegate-springs-mvr-mvs?gclid=CPfN9un4l9ECFQeewAod6CAObg
Sure thing! I'll be home tomorrow evening and can post it up tomorrow.derfdog15 said:MiWiAu said:FYI, there's one other 17.8 psi spring combo for the wastegate that's not on the Tial chart (it's a 3 spring combo). Based on the tolerances of the springs in the kit, you could try the 3 spring combo if the 2 springs don't seem to be quite enough. I think for the 15.95 psi, there were three different spring combos you could use to achieve the same theoretical rating.
I'm out of town right now, but I sent Brad a spreadsheet of all the possible combinations, since the Tial chart only shows one possible spring combo for each setting. He'll get you dialed in, no doubt.
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You ROCK! I looked at the chart and thought there may be a few other options left out, they seem to go in set steps.
Feel free to post that spreadsheet up at some point, but for now I am hoping this will work as needed. I am excited to run around with solid fuel pressure and minimal boost spikes!
Mine was acting strange. I was initially only running 14psi of boost and the 15.95 and both 17.8 psi spring combos both resulted in the gate hanging open on shifts and my duty cycle would climb to 90-100%. Pretty atypical, I gather, from what Brad has seen on the SHO. He has ways to dial it in when you get close with your spring settings, and we were suspecting that maybe some of my springs were mismarked (unconfirmed). We eventually found a spring combo and boost setting that worked well.
I got really good at changing gate springs as well. Less than 8 minutes to remove the gate, change the springs, and reinstall.
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