Livernois Tune Madness on "Winter Blend"
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14SHOCAR said:
It is not deflection. You regularly bring up threads like this. You have made countless ill advised mods to several proven parts, and have documented them. We cannot help if you do things that we do not recommend doing like adding E85, cutting off random exhaust sections or not adhering to the suggested life of parts.
Livernois Motorsports said:
Now it's clear you have no clue what you're talking about. When did I EVER cut my exhaust? Did I actually do that because the last time I checked I still have my factory DPs and Corsa Exhaust.
My current build LIVERNOIS PROVIDED:
1. LMS Tuner
2. LMS Pre-Gapped Plugs
3. LMS 3-Bar
4. LMS t-stat
The only mods I have that are not livernois are:
1. K&N CAI Intake
2. Corsa Cat Back Exhaust.
3. A Full tank of 93 octane gas with NO e85 blend. In fact, I retuned since the last time I used e85 for the fuel curves.
This is absolutely ridiculous.
From what I understand, Unleashed tunes don't have this winter blend problem.
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We recommend using V8 during the winter months.
The plugs as we all agree are at the end of their lifespan.
This is not an issue.
Winter blend.
We are not trying to fight with you, but it seems like you are trying to not follow what we prescribe for the sake of viewership. We are not in the thread to fight with you. We have offered up a fix. A fix that everyone seems to agree with. What you decide to do with that information is up to you.
The plugs as we all agree are at the end of their lifespan.
This is not an issue.
Winter blend.
We are not trying to fight with you, but it seems like you are trying to not follow what we prescribe for the sake of viewership. We are not in the thread to fight with you. We have offered up a fix. A fix that everyone seems to agree with. What you decide to do with that information is up to you.
Ok...have you checked your plugs?
If not, why would you even be posting? If you haven't crawled under your ride to look at anything, how in the world can you point to anything?
Sounds like it's actually a ploy to accuse, instead of investigate?
If the fuel has a 1.7% difference in energy, what does that change to in a direct injected application....as corn gets an upgrade when directly injected?
And are we still running the "hot" tune?
This is getting pretty rhetorical IMO....
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If not, why would you even be posting? If you haven't crawled under your ride to look at anything, how in the world can you point to anything?
Sounds like it's actually a ploy to accuse, instead of investigate?
If the fuel has a 1.7% difference in energy, what does that change to in a direct injected application....as corn gets an upgrade when directly injected?
And are we still running the "hot" tune?
This is getting pretty rhetorical IMO....
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I have also recently experienced the same symptoms (popping noises). They only happened under full Acceleration right before the shift change or during the shift at high rpm.
Although this has happened with traction control completely off, it is worse when traction control is on. The traction control light will start flashing and the popping will sound. It will only be one pop if the transmission shifts, but if the transmission doesn't, it gets hung up on the rev limiter and continues to pop until I let off the gas.
As far as the black smoke. I saw this once when on the highway and getting on it. It downshifted, hesitated and puffed a little black smoke.
All these symptoms have only happened in the winter running the 3bar V8 tune.
I have no codes showing. I found no oil leaks and there are no other hesitations besides what I described.
My plugs are gapped at .030. To me it originally felt like the traction control kicking in. It kind of feels and sounds like when I had a bad coil on another vehicle, except I don't get the same low rpm lugging symptoms.
My Second set of plugs probably have 20k miles on them so I'm changing them this week anyway. Other then that, I can control the symptoms by the way I accelerate and get by until summer blend fuel comes back.
2013 SHO PP
Although this has happened with traction control completely off, it is worse when traction control is on. The traction control light will start flashing and the popping will sound. It will only be one pop if the transmission shifts, but if the transmission doesn't, it gets hung up on the rev limiter and continues to pop until I let off the gas.
As far as the black smoke. I saw this once when on the highway and getting on it. It downshifted, hesitated and puffed a little black smoke.
All these symptoms have only happened in the winter running the 3bar V8 tune.
I have no codes showing. I found no oil leaks and there are no other hesitations besides what I described.
My plugs are gapped at .030. To me it originally felt like the traction control kicking in. It kind of feels and sounds like when I had a bad coil on another vehicle, except I don't get the same low rpm lugging symptoms.
My Second set of plugs probably have 20k miles on them so I'm changing them this week anyway. Other then that, I can control the symptoms by the way I accelerate and get by until summer blend fuel comes back.
2013 SHO PP
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ajpturbo said:
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Sorry for the late response on this post
This shows your inexperience with engines an fuel. E85 will most definitely cause popping with these cars (IF OUT OF FUEL). The car is on the verge of being out of fuel pressure and lean on e10 gasoline. Please don't advise people with inaccurate advice. This kind of stuff causes major problems with the fuel system and engine. I wish people would advise the correct information. The winter is here an temperatures are colder which results in substantially more fuel required (especially with E85).
You seem to know very little about datalogging, a pid is no where near the data you need to be looking at with "said" companies data log. It is for diagnostic data for repair shops. Not for development.
Can we confirm the actual fuel in the car?
We don't have people complaining with these cars about drivability issues since initial release in 2013. I think we are on to something with the fuel. We are committed to finding the problem out. If we need to we will make a trip to the customer an find out the problem. This is a car problem not a tuning problem.
We stand behind our customers
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Please educate the community with "good information" not opinion.
Definitely need to change your spark plugs and make sure all plugs are torqued properly.think its 14lbs of torque and while your there check to see if any of the (COP)Coil on plugs(boots)are ripped or torn,especially after reading this article. http://www.hendonpub.com/resources/article_archive/results/details?id=5090
All this debate comes down to is fueling. Plain and simple. The weakest link has and always will be the DI pump. In stock trim, yes the ECU can compensate for different blends of fuel, but since we tuned these cars that window shrinks a lot. So until someone finally steps up and R&D's a bigger DI pump, this debate will go on. I would be the first one to spend $800 on a bigger DI pump in a heart beat. Why do you think the 2nd gen 3.5 EB had dual fuel set up on the GT and Raptor? Just think about it. Yes you can data log, but all your doing to tuning for the crap fuel.
To the OP was curious to know if you ever got a chance to properly tighten that rear #3 spark plug under the charge pipe figuring your issues seemingly started right after installing the plugs,just trying to troubleshoot and help ya out. Z http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4587.msg72383.html#msg72383
bamsho said:
Low pressure pump is a non issue
Doubt the e85 damaged it....just curious why u would think that?....the fuel filler says e0-e15 because the high pressure pump really cant support more E as far as ford thinks, with their saftey net in mind.im pretty sure all the fuel system has been upgraded to handle various fuels...fomoco posted something about that a while back
I think on a stock tune you pretty much have 2000 psi at the rail at wot all the time so everyone running a 3 bar tune on pure gas would have fuel pressure below what ford preferred....
Its not a ffv car because the pump wouldnt have the output not because the components can't handle ethanol fuels
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