Meth weird power behavior (renamed from meth failure)

His source torque 18 is an attempt to eliminate a majority of the advance trac stepping in. Seems to work fairly well with straight line runs.. I have only had it kick in once since he made that change...


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StealBlueSho said:
I have a 2010 Non-PP and I don’t have those issues... I ran a 12.35 when it was hot as hell... could be an issue in your strategy he needs to work over? I will say upgrading to the coilovers made a world of difference coming off the line without advance track kicking in.


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One headache at a time ;) .. i am not mechanically inclined any more so lowering is out the window until i have someone else do it :)
 
TopherSho said:
but the rev 3 meth tune kicked it into performance territories the programming  / advancement doesn't like.  were working on it now but the weather is turning, my road is being farmed so i cant get datalogs to Brad.  i am super-frustrated right now as i cant get the data to Brad,  and I hate the weird shifting and fueling it is doing.

I will try a few more times for logs later this week.. hopefully we can tune around it but Brad's comments make me think it will be a tough task with the 2010-2012 platform NON-PP behaviors.

crossing fingers ..
Yeah big weather change.  Sept closing out like it normally is cool and rainy.  wreaks havoc on traction for logging.

Question for the pro's out there..  There are enough of these cars out there, and they are getting wrecked a bit I am guessing..  What is the feasability of getting a ECU out of a wrecked PP car, that center console panel with the switches and swapping it in?
 
lamrith said:
TopherSho said:
but the rev 3 meth tune kicked it into performance territories the programming  / advancement doesn't like.  were working on it now but the weather is turning, my road is being farmed so i cant get datalogs to Brad.  i am super-frustrated right now as i cant get the data to Brad,  and I hate the weird shifting and fueling it is doing.

I will try a few more times for logs later this week.. hopefully we can tune around it but Brad's comments make me think it will be a tough task with the 2010-2012 platform NON-PP behaviors.

crossing fingers ..
Yeah big weather change.  Sept closing out like it normally is cool and rainy.  wreaks havoc on traction for logging.

Question for the pro's out there..  There are enough of these cars out there, and they are getting wrecked a bit I am guessing..  What is the feasability of getting a ECU out of a wrecked PP car, that center console panel with the switches and swapping it in?


Let me find the link... but IIRC there are several control modules that would need to be replaced plus you would need some one with the Ford IDS software to make the changes needed for it to work.


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StealBlueSho said:
lamrith said:
TopherSho said:
but the rev 3 meth tune kicked it into performance territories the programming  / advancement doesn't like.  were working on it now but the weather is turning, my road is being farmed so i cant get datalogs to Brad.  i am super-frustrated right now as i cant get the data to Brad,  and I hate the weird shifting and fueling it is doing.

I will try a few more times for logs later this week.. hopefully we can tune around it but Brad's comments make me think it will be a tough task with the 2010-2012 platform NON-PP behaviors.

crossing fingers ..
Yeah big weather change.  Sept closing out like it normally is cool and rainy.  wreaks havoc on traction for logging.

Question for the pro's out there..  There are enough of these cars out there, and they are getting wrecked a bit I am guessing..  What is the feasability of getting a ECU out of a wrecked PP car, that center console panel with the switches and swapping it in?


Let me find the link... but IIRC there are several control modules that would need to be replaced plus you would need some one with the Ford IDS software to make the changes needed for it to work.


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no worries SBS, sounds like more hsasle than worth for benefit..
 
would seem to be right up in Jason's neck of the woods ... Except I don't think he works on pre-2013MYs anymore?
 
SHOdded said:
would seem to be right up in Jason's neck of the woods ... Except I don't think he works on pre-2013MYs anymore?


This is correct, a few guys have reached out and Jason said he only does the 2013+ cars now.


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JMR061 is his user forum user name, in the event anyone is looking for him.

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polskifacet said:
Just pull out the abs fuse and call it a day lol

SBS and I spoke briefly about this when trying to fight our TQ15 demons, I believe before he was alky injected.

For science, I gave it a go, and yeah it works 100% on my 2012 nonPP.  Instrument cluster lights up like a Christmas tree and the DIC freaks out telling me all the errors, but Advancetrak is beaten.

I don't condone this as a full time solution, but if you want 0 intervention from Advancetrak for say, track use, I'd say give it a shot.
 
Na,  the brakes are bad enough (not sufficient) so I am not comfortable with that idea.  Brad will see what he can do.  And we will see where we get with him coding around it.

If all else fails then I will roll back to the last meth tune that did not have the issue and call it good.  I liked the power of rev3, in a dragrace rev3 made some easy kills out in PIR..  but as soon as we went rev3 the tq errors came on strong and make daily driving very much un-enjoyable.

finger crossed,  Brad has been amazing,  and has tunes on stronger rigs so i am very hopeful.

added a new log... check out timestamp 359+ .. it is slow roll into a farm road in 1st gear.  i floor it and it does some super sketchy power management.  it stop all power *hard* and a little scary then goes nutz
 
FWIW Bad worn out brakes along with your (speed sensors) can make your car act funky at times,especially worn out tires,safety aspect comes to mind,food for thought my friend. Z
 
ZSHO said:
FWIW Bad worn out brakes along with your (speed sensors) can make your car act funky at times,especially worn out tires,safety aspect comes to mind,food for thought my friend. Z

Interesting!  I have tons of pad left currently, I was referring to the fact the oem nonpp brakes are weak.
 
TopherSho said:
Na,  the brakes are bad enough (not sufficient) so I am not comfortable with that idea.  Brad will see what he can do.  And we will see where we get with him coding around it.

If all else fails then I will roll back to the last meth tune that did not have the issue and call it good.  I liked the power of rev3, in a dragrace rev3 made some easy kills out in PIR..  but as soon as we went rev3 the tq errors came on strong and make daily driving very much un-enjoyable.

finger crossed,  Brad has been amazing,  and has tunes on stronger rigs so i am very hopeful.

added a new log... check out timestamp 359+ .. it is slow roll into a farm road in 1st gear.  i floor it and it does some super sketchy power management.  it stop all power *hard* and a little scary then goes nutz
Hopefully no one looks through my download history and sees i downloaded a file with the words "big, log, and tranny"  LOL!!
 
Colorado-SHOBro said:
TopherSho said:
Na,  the brakes are bad enough (not sufficient) so I am not comfortable with that idea.  Brad will see what he can do.  And we will see where we get with him coding around it.

If all else fails then I will roll back to the last meth tune that did not have the issue and call it good.  I liked the power of rev3, in a dragrace rev3 made some easy kills out in PIR..  but as soon as we went rev3 the tq errors came on strong and make daily driving very much un-enjoyable.

finger crossed,  Brad has been amazing,  and has tunes on stronger rigs so i am very hopeful.

added a new log... check out timestamp 359+ .. it is slow roll into a farm road in 1st gear.  i floor it and it does some super sketchy power management.  it stop all power *hard* and a little scary then goes nutz
Hopefully no one looks through my download history and sees i downloaded a file with the words "big, log, and tranny"  LOL!!

Oh I have soooo much fun in restaurants with this topic when the gang hangs out::
"Yeah I banged the tranny real hard .. started slipping so i changed out the lube .."
"I should have been doing meth YEARS ago. Im going back to the dealer right after lunch!"
"I ran that bitch HARD when she got tired i feed her more meth and got back on it .."

The looks I get .. priceless ..
 
dubcitySHO said:
polskifacet said:
Just pull out the abs fuse and call it a day lol

SBS and I spoke briefly about this when trying to fight our TQ15 demons, I believe before he was alky injected.

For science, I gave it a go, and yeah it works 100% on my 2012 nonPP.  Instrument cluster lights up like a Christmas tree and the DIC freaks out telling me all the errors, but Advancetrak is beaten.

I don't condone this as a full time solution, but if you want 0 intervention from Advancetrak for say, track use, I'd say give it a shot.

Yea, does your rear wheels still get power? Which fuse was it?


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Yes my rear wheels still had power.  It is the #9 ABS Pump fuse in the box near the battery. 

The only immediate downside was all the indicator lights and warnings.  Still had all normal drivability, with the obvious lack of any ABS function whatsoever. 
 
dubcitySHO said:
Yes my rear wheels still had power.  It is the #9 ABS Pump fuse in the box near the battery. 

The only immediate downside was all the indicator lights and warnings.  Still had all normal drivability, with the obvious lack of any ABS function whatsoever.


Nothing a little electrical tape can’t hide!


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I have rolled back to rev22 (meth rev2) and am retesting.  I am waiting to hear back from Brad who is hideously (and understandably) busy.

I may propose we start making much smaller edits to this tune versus the large jump we made in rev23 (meth rev3)
 
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