AJPTurbo boost regulator mod with EcoPowerParts charge pipes

[MiWiAu]

Also, I see various parts and this and that mentioned throughout the thread. Anyone give a consolidated list to give a good idea of what parts are involved/need to be bought. Makes Putting together a budget for it a little easier.

I put together a detailed list for my initial install on AJP's original thread. My XSport install is Post #66, but many of the same parts could be used for the SHO. I'll update it once I sort out my boost reference experiment.

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6526.msg108713.html#msg108713

Thing is, everyone is using slightly different methods/parts, and putting their own personal touch their installs, which makes it difficult to put together a universal list.

For the basics, you need a wastegate (with a way to adjust it for your boost levels - i.e. spring options), a way to connect the wastegate to your intake plumbing, a boost reference to add to the wastegate, and a compatible tune.

 

[derfdog15]

I do gotta say it is awesome to see what someone can tweak on one person's idea to make it work. Great stuff


Also, I see various parts and this and that mentioned throughout the thread. Anyone give a consolidated list to give a good idea of what parts are involved/need to be bought. Makes Putting together a budget for it a little easier.

Here is my parts list, with links to reference, of what I bought

70 degree bend aluminum pipe, 1.75" OD -- http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=PIP175-75&Category_Code=PIP175
1.75" OD stainless steel 'joiner' pipe -- http://www.siliconeintakes.com/turbo-piping/intercooler-pipe-fabrication-p-131.html
Hump connector and t-bolts -- http://www.siliconeintakes.com/hump-hose/turbo-coupler-p-428.html and 2x http://www.siliconeintakes.com/t-bolt-clamp/compressor-tbolt-p-107.html
Vband for the TiAL (supplied with wastegate) -- https://www.importimageracing.com/tial-mvs-38mm-v-band-external-wastegate-universal.html#header-search -- they offer a 5% off code many times, as well as free shipping with the code, best price I found on a new in box TiAL

I needed the aluminum pipe and hump hose due to the EPP charge pipes being aluminum and wanted to mate the gate to them.

I initially grabbed vacuum reference from the brake booster line (which is pictured earlier on I believe).

I am now grabbing vacuum from the port, under the TIP sensor, on the EPP charge pipes

This replaced my cross, from above with a T that goes to my BOV and boost gauge from the current T on my brake booster line (it is remote mounted with a 3/8" line connecting the two T's.

The other option for a vacuum reference for the gate, is the TIP sensor location on the charge pipes between the rear turbo and the intercooler, which I believe is also pictured.

You will need a suitable length of 1/4" or 6mm vacuum hose to run between your source and the gate as well. I bought 6mm hose form Silicone Intakes that is pretty good. I also bought 1/4" hose locally at autozone for about the same price, and also of good quality.

Any other questions just let us know!

 

[f8tlSHO]

I do gotta say it is awesome to see what someone can tweak on one person's idea to make it work. Great stuff


Also, I see various parts and this and that mentioned throughout the thread. Anyone give a consolidated list to give a good idea of what parts are involved/need to be bought. Makes Putting together a budget for it a little easier.

Once I get mine figured out I can put together a list for the people that don't want to buy the expensive parts.. lol..


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[FoMoCoSHO]

For extra reference for anyone interested.

As ZSHO/Myself Have Mentioned in the past/this thread, the vacuum line for the brake booster uses a 3/8" hose, so if tapping that you need a T with 3/8" barbs to insert.

The TIP reference on the piping from the rear turbo to intercooler, uses 1/4" hose, so you would need a T with 1/4" barbs.

For the wastegate itself/ most wastegates/most BOVs they recommend 1/4" hose as well, and that is what the supplied nipples usually support. 6mm hose works as well.

f8tlSHO, my only concern with that location is that with the gate open, it may be too close to the gate and have a pressure drop causing the gate to chatter/oscillate between open and closed. But go ahead and test it out if it isn't too much trouble for ya, would definitely make line routing super easy.

Even easier to take the car in for service. Pop off put noise thingy back on, done.. I just drilled and tapped a hole in the pipe. I will attempt this and see how it goes


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This is what I want, it has to look nice and be secure.

AJP's original design left me wanting a bit more in the aesthetics department. (no offense)

Between than and a lack of creativity/fabrication skills has left me without this much needed mod.

 

[f8tlSHO]

For extra reference for anyone interested.

As ZSHO/Myself Have Mentioned in the past/this thread, the vacuum line for the brake booster uses a 3/8" hose, so if tapping that you need a T with 3/8" barbs to insert.

The TIP reference on the piping from the rear turbo to intercooler, uses 1/4" hose, so you would need a T with 1/4" barbs.

For the wastegate itself/ most wastegates/most BOVs they recommend 1/4" hose as well, and that is what the supplied nipples usually support. 6mm hose works as well.

f8tlSHO, my only concern with that location is that with the gate open, it may be too close to the gate and have a pressure drop causing the gate to chatter/oscillate between open and closed. But go ahead and test it out if it isn't too much trouble for ya, would definitely make line routing super easy.

Even easier to take the car in for service. Pop off put noise thingy back on, done.. I just drilled and tapped a hole in the pipe. I will attempt this and see how it goes


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This is what I want, it has to look nice and be secure.

AJP's original design left me wanting a bit more in the aesthetics department. (no offense)

Between than and a lack of creativity/fabrication skills has left me without this much needed mod.

fabrication is one of my favorite departments


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[f8tlSHO]

Here are some pictures of what I have planned, basically ready to put on. Just need to get the 1.5" hose.

Do the name brand wastegates have a loose valve seat? This one does, when you attach the tube to gate it goes in between. Puts a small preload on the valve when you tighten down on it. I guess ones that have a v band wouldn't have a 2 piece design. The valve and seat are leaking a little, pulled it apart so I can lap them together. Some roughness on the seat that is causing it not to seal properly.

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[derfdog15]

Looks almost identical on the inside. And yes the valve seat is removable. Make sure you have the longer end inserted, with the actual V-band like portion on the bottom so that it sits against the other pipe when mounted, that way when you tighten the flange it is pushed in and creates a seal.

Looking at your first two pictures it appears your flanges are not identical? Possibly only one direction of install works and it is reversed? That looks to be why you have a leak. May need to grind the welds and flip the flange on your dump pipe by 180 degrees. TO check if that is the case, try and flip the wastegate connection in the current configuration.

 

[f8tlSHO]

Looks almost identical on the inside. And yes the valve seat is removable. Make sure you have the longer end inserted, with the actual V-band like portion on the bottom so that it sits against the other pipe when mounted, that way when you tighten the flange it is pushed in and creates a seal.

Looking at your first two pictures it appears your flanges are not identical? Possibly only one direction of install works and it is reversed? That looks to be why you have a leak. May need to grind the welds and flip the flange on your dump pipe by 180 degrees. TO check if that is the case, try and flip the wastegate connection in the current configuration.

The seat has burrs on it, when you hold it up to the light you can see where the valve is sitting on the burrs.


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[f8tlSHO]

Look at all of the little bumps on the seat, that is what is keeping it from sealing. That's the thing with the China made stuff. U may have to do the finish work cause they don't spend the time doing it. De burring  and this sort of thing


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[derfdog15]

Look at all of the little bumps on the seat, that is what is keeping it from sealing. That's the thing with the China made stuff. U may have to do the finish work cause they don't spend the time doing it. De burring  and this sort of thing


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Gotcha, well good luck with it, I guess I payed a price for the convenience of not having to do anything other than weld my pipes.

Do keep us updated!

 

[StealBlueSHO]

Interesting... my wastegate was flawless...


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[f8tlSHO]

Interesting... my wastegate was flawless...


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I bought this one knowing that I might have to do some work to it. I have the technology to machine up a new valve or seat. So it's not a big deal. 60$ compared to 250$ I don't mind putting some time into it.


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[f8tlSHO]

Just did a quick cleanup job with some lapping compound and my drill... much better seal... I think I am gonna call it good. Hopefully have time to get the other hose tomorrow.


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[derfdog15]

Just did a quick cleanup job with some lapping compound and my drill... much better seal... I think I am gonna call it good. Hopefully have time to get the other hose tomorrow.


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Hope you can get all set soon! Also random question, is that a Hallman? I have one for my mustang build is why I ask.

As for hose, I went to autozone today, to get another 1.5' foot of hose, to go from the TIP reference to the wastegate, so I could leave some extra slack in the hose. It took ~2 minutes to get the hose, so hopefully it is as easy for you.

 

[f8tlSHO]

Just did a quick cleanup job with some lapping compound and my drill... much better seal... I think I am gonna call it good. Hopefully have time to get the other hose tomorrow.


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Hope you can get all set soon! Also random question, is that a Hallman? I have one for my mustang build is why I ask.

As for hose, I went to autozone today, to get another 1.5' foot of hose, to go from the TIP reference to the wastegate, so I could leave some extra slack in the hose. It took ~2 minutes to get the hose, so hopefully it is as easy for you.

Yes I believe it is a hallman, I bought it back in 2010 from a buddy to use on my mustang turbo build that never came to life... my son came in 2011 and my daughter in 2014... so garage time has taken a pretty big hit. Still have a mustang but it is missing boost. When you said you got hose a couple posts ago I thought you were talking about the 1.5" hose to connect to the intake. I wonder if lowes sells anything that would work. I have enough hose for my reference line, as long as this crazy idea works.


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[derfdog15]

Yes I believe it is a hallman, I bought it back in 2010 from a buddy to use on my mustang turbo build that never came to life... my son came in 2011 and my daughter in 2014... so garage time has taken a pretty big hit. Still have a mustang but it is missing boost. When you said you got hose a couple posts ago I thought you were talking about the 1.5" hose to connect to the intake. I wonder if lowes sells anything that would work. I have enough hose for my reference line, as long as this crazy idea works.


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The hard hose that OE uses (for the brake booster anyway) is pretty hard to find anywhere. Lowes/Home Depot/Menards all sell 1/4" ID hose and 3/8" ID hose. The brake booster line is 3/8" ID. TIP is 1/4" ID.

Just curious why you keep mentioning needing an intake line? Per the hallman instructions (http://www.hallmanboostcontroller.com/Pro%20Series%20Installation%20Instructions%20ld.pdf) and the TiAL Instructions (http://www.tialsport.com/documents/MV-Install-Guide.jpg) you should only need two pieces of line from your dump pipe reference.

Line 1 going from the port you tapped to the input port on the MBC. Line 2 going from the MBC output to one of the bottom air ports on the wastegate. Which you have already done

Or are you talking about the radiator hose to actually mount it on the noise maker? If that is the case, I didn't use one, so am of little help, BUT, you should be able to take the dump pipe you have (and possibly the intercooler to intake noisemaker pipe) to any autoparts store and get a section of radiator hose that will work, along with hose clamps. You would just find a radiator hose that works, and choose one with the appropriate bend, then cut it down to size.

 

[f8tlSHO]

Yes I believe it is a hallman, I bought it back in 2010 from a buddy to use on my mustang turbo build that never came to life... my son came in 2011 and my daughter in 2014... so garage time has taken a pretty big hit. Still have a mustang but it is missing boost. When you said you got hose a couple posts ago I thought you were talking about the 1.5" hose to connect to the intake. I wonder if lowes sells anything that would work. I have enough hose for my reference line, as long as this crazy idea works.


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The hard hose that OE uses (for the brake booster anyway) is pretty hard to find anywhere. Lowes/Home Depot/Menards all sell 1/4" ID hose and 3/8" ID hose. The brake booster line is 3/8" ID. TIP is 1/4" ID.

Just curious why you keep mentioning needing an intake line? Per the hallman instructions (http://www.hallmanboostcontroller.com/Pro%20Series%20Installation%20Instructions%20ld.pdf) and the TiAL Instructions (http://www.tialsport.com/documents/MV-Install-Guide.jpg) you should only need two pieces of line from your dump pipe reference.

Line 1 going from the port you tapped to the input port on the MBC. Line 2 going from the MBC output to one of the bottom air ports on the wastegate. Which you have already done

Or are you talking about the radiator hose to actually mount it on the noise maker? If that is the case, I didn't use one, so am of little help, BUT, you should be able to take the dump pipe you have (and possibly the intercooler to intake noisemaker pipe) to any autoparts store and get a section of radiator hose that will work, along with hose clamps. You would just find a radiator hose that works, and choose one with the appropriate bend, then cut it down to size.

Yes I am talking about the 1.5" hose that connects the gate to intake. I just either need to get the rad hose and cut it down or find a 3" long piece somewhere to connect it to intake. Not talking about the boost reference line, got that taken care of with the mbc


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[derfdog15]

Good luck! Worst case you could always get a section of silicon coupler and cut it down to size as well, from somewhere like https://www.siliconeintakes.com/

But that would require a lot more waiting. I am actually pretty excited to see how your gate ends up working.

 

[MiWiAu]

Yes I am talking about the 1.5" hose that connects the gate to intake. I just either need to get the rad hose and cut it down or find a 3" long piece somewhere to connect it to intake. Not talking about the boost reference line, got that taken care of with the mbc

Just PM'd you (I think... Tapatalk is weird).

I have an extra 1.5"x3" silicone coupler that I didn't use with my install.



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[derfdog15]

Love to see the forum members helping each other out!

Small Update on my gate mod. I updated the hose from the wastegate to the TIP sensor reference. Used 1.4" ID Fuel Line from Autozone ($1.70 for 1.5 foot) as it allowed for me to leave a bit more slack. I also put blue thread seal on my wastegate air port plugs and the actual hose barb connector the gate as well.

Sent the logs to Brad just now (thought I sent them earlier but forgot to attach the logs, for like the 4th time).

Logs attached here as well.